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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: DonTom on October 31, 2020, 09:50:59 AM
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Today, I rode my Zero SR to Oak Grove Power Sports (the new larger shop).
I was tempted to buy my 11th motorcycle. A new 2020 Zero SR/S Premium with luggage and center stand. For 23K$.
No sales guy would even come to me after staring at the bike for about an hour total several different times. So I ended up just leaving. It looks like the motorcycle sales guys are no longer paid by commission! Or perhaps it was too late on a Friday afternoon to start a new sale!
But I really don't need 11 motorcycles. I do not want to deal with an extra one. My 8 garages are quite full as it is. And I really don't have anything I want to trade in. And with the two chargers I carry, I can charge my old bike even faster, at 8KW instead of 6.3 KW. But with that new bike, I would not have to carry anything and then I can actually use my luggage space. But still very tempted. But perhaps I already talked myself out of it!
In other news . . . .
From there, I went to the Wal*Mart in Oak Grove with my total of ~8 KW worth chargers. The charge station panel says it can only do 32 amps (7,680 watts), But right on the screen it said I was charging at 7.7 KW, and no issue, so I charged for 30 minutes and raced back to Auburn on the freeway.
So far, not once have I had to use that switch to remove the OBC to reduce the charge rate to 6.6 KW. Since I added the switch, I could either get near the full 8 KW from every charge station or else hog up two ports from the Charge Points that can only do 6.6 kw per port.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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All I can say is . . . .
-Don-
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What do you have to lose? If I had space for more then my 3 I'd probably get an SR/[SF] and/or an Eva Ribelle.
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What do you have to lose? If I had space for more then my 3 I'd probably get an SR/[SF] and/or an Eva Ribelle.
Yeah, when I cannot decide between two bikes, I buy both.
I could also end up with a Ribelle, then have 12 bikes.
I am not sure if this disease ever ends.
But there is a simple formula for how many bikes we should own. The formula is "N+1" , where "N" is the number of bikes we currently own.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Augh x-x
That would take up my life savings.
Not that I wouldn't enjoy a bike I could ride to the city ^-^; Not that I can ride to the city right now.
-Crissa
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Not that I wouldn't enjoy a bike I could ride to the city ^-^; Not that I can ride to the city right now.
With your 8.5KWH, all you really need is around 6.3 KW of chargers and you will be able to go almost anywhere, if there are J change stns around.
Larger batteries do not save much time- they take longer to charge to full. Very near the same gain per minute at the same charge rate.
You should be able to go around 85 miles slow (below 45 MPH) before needing a charge. Or about half that distance if on the freeway. Even 42 miles is longer than it seems when you're doing it.
A little less, because you don't want to get down to 0 SOC.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Yeah, the city is outside of my slow range ^-^
-Crissa
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Yeah, the city is outside of my slow range ^-^
-Crissa
Which city?
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Don I want your problems. ;)
I really like most of the whole SRS bike but I think they made a few mistakes or just fell short on a few features that keep me from pulling the trigger myself.
The charge debate of faster but more rare (and costlier) CCS charging vs slower but more available and sometimes free level two charging aside I think the SRS messed up charging in two ways.
First the lack of the Anderson connection for off bike chargers that could also be used to power other things was a head scratcher other than forcing people to buy a new on-board charger only.
The second is the lack of two J1772 plug points if a bike also has the charge tank. That gives a person in the US a better chance of getting the full 12kW of charging speed that the bike can handle. Again, other than a little savings from using another inlet there is no good reason to not do it.
The biggest disappointment though is the lack of a 20kWh battery pack to go with all this aero "touring-ish" style bike with faster charging.
Don, just like the rest of us your not getting any younger. If you feel you really want it, get it.
I think if you look back at your last 100 rides, how many were on a gas bike?
I'd let the one that you ride the least or love the least go to someone who will ride it and get what you want.
P.S. I may be PMing you about your new charger setup.
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I have a friend with 24 ICE motorcycles, a sail boat and an airplane. He stores some of his motorcycles in his home garage, in his airplane hanger and the rest in a small workshop that he rents. Who needs a paying job to keep you busy? ::)
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Don I want your problems. ;)
I really like most of the whole SRS bike but I think they made a few mistakes or just fell short on a few features that keep me from pulling the trigger myself.
The charge debate of faster but more rare (and costlier) CCS charging vs slower but more available and sometimes free level two charging aside I think the SRS messed up charging in two ways.
First the lack of the Anderson connection for off bike chargers that could also be used to power other things was a head scratcher other than forcing people to buy a new on-board charger only.
The second is the lack of two J1772 plug points if a bike also has the charge tank. That gives a person in the US a better chance of getting the full 12kW of charging speed that the bike can handle. Again, other than a little savings from using another inlet there is no good reason to not do it.
The biggest disappointment though is the lack of a 20kWh battery pack to go with all this aero "touring-ish" style bike with faster charging.
Don, just like the rest of us your not getting any younger. If you feel you really want it, get it.
I think if you look back at your last 100 rides, how many were on a gas bike?
I'd let the one that you ride the least or love the least go to someone who will ride it and get what you want.
P.S. I may be PMing you about your new charger setup.
I find most J1772 charging to be free, with the places that "charge to charge" the exception. Especially true in the Reno area.
Those that cost are usually in the tourist trap areas, such as Truckee, CA or a busy mall , service station or whatever. And even then, J1772 is usually cheap and sometimes a flat $2.00 for all day, such as the J1772 J-Stn behind the Chevron gas station at Cisco Grove, CA.
IMO, the only way you're going to find a perfect electric motorcycle (or even ICE) is to design it yourself, or modify it to what you want where possible.
CCS charging is picking up very fast in some areas, such as I-80 in CA. Both are a lot better than just a year ago, until getting far way away from everything, then not a lot has improved.
I would think even on the SR/S you could wire your own chargers to the motor controller. The same chargers I use I would think would work there as well. No need for the Anderson. The way I did it is cheaper per KW of charging by quite a bit. But this will only charge to 95% SOC, but from there, the stock stuff can take over. And you could wire the extra external charges to a new J-connector. The problem there is you have to carry the extra chargers for the road, like I do.
I really enjoy all my bikes about equally. And some of them are not worth much for a trade-in.
As for how I did my charger setup, please consider doing it by posting a message in the hack section. That way, others can see it and consider if they wish to do the same. But if you have a reason to prefer it in a PM, that is fine also.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Yeah it's a whole different charging world here in GA. Even the few level 2 chargers at work bill you at .75 an hour which sucks with a 1.3kW charger. I don't need it but it would be nice to use it ad go home faster.
Most are at hotels that only let you charge if your a guest or car dealers that don't want to be bothered.
As for your setup, I've followed along with the new units you got from Elcon that let you charge to 95%, even if I have commented on those threads. I've seen your posts on the switch you have setup and that may be more than I want to do.
Basically if the folks at Elcon have a plug and play unit that I can setup to pull from a dryer outlet adapter that isn't too costly I'm interested.
So where are you leaning when it comes to getting the bike?
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Basically if the folks at Elcon have a plug and play unit that I can setup to pull from a dryer outlet adapter that isn't too costly I'm interested.
So where are you leaning when it comes to getting the bike?
The chargers only cost me around $700.00 each. You will also need a hydraulic crimping tool (https://www.harborfreight.com/search?q=hydraulic%20crimping%20tool) to make your own small Anderson connectors.
The one in the link works surprisingly well.
Each of these chargers are 3.3 KW if used with 240 VAC. Yes, they will work with a drier outlet, but you will have to change the AC plug. But ask Elcon if they have adapter because the AC plug on these are on a disconnect plug that can easily be changed. These chargers will also work at around half power if used at 120 VAC.
If you're going to use two of them, they needed to be started at around the same time. The voltage between them have to be close together to start. A couple of minutes difference is okay and I never had an issue with such, but that is what Elcon told me.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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HHmmm. I thought it was a bit cheaper than that, and ready to go.
Does it have a male C13 AC plug like the Delta Qs?
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Yeah, the city is outside of my slow range ^-^
Which city?
"What city?" asks the guy who says he worked there. 9-9
-Crissa
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Just sayin'
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HHmmm. I thought it was a bit cheaper than that, and ready to go.
Does it have a male C13 AC plug like the Delta Qs?
Considering it's three times the watts of a DeltaQ, I would say it is quite cheap as is.
It has a standard 120 VAC plug. But I have never used them with 120 VAC. The plug has a disconnect, so perhaps they have other plugs available. I simply use these adapters (https://www.amazon.com/CGTime-Standard-Computer-XH-A03-1-60320-C13/dp/B07HRJKGFD/ref=sr_1_12?dchild=1&keywords=ac+computer+plug+rack+adapter&qid=1604196405&sr=8-12).
Edit: Looks like I am showing the wrong adapters there! Mine are mine are these. (https://www.amazon.com/5-15R-Adapter-Vellcon-Female-Converter/dp/B06XVW2X8N/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=server+adapter+female+to+female+AC&qid=1604199376&sr=8-3)
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Basically if the folks at Elcon have a plug and play unit that I can setup to pull from a dryer outlet adapter that isn't too costly I'm interested.
That's no longer available. The newer ones are lighter, smaller and more powerful and even cheaper. But you have to wire them in yourself, as I did. Really wasn't all that difficult.
So where are you leaning when it comes to getting the bike?
I have been out riding all day with my Livewire buddy. I was on my Energica. I was rushing out this morning because it was getting close to the time for me to be at his place, about 15 miles southwest of here. Now I have more time.
Now that I have been out of the shop for a day, I am almost forgetting about it. I like the bike, but with my 2017 SR, it has MORE range AND charges faster. The only disadvantage is I have to carry the chargers around for longer trips. And I don't see that as a 23K$ disadvantage, as it has been working out great for me as is. And I normally don't take the chargers because I also use it for most of my short trips, which is its most use.
After riding my Energica all day today, I think that is more the way to go. The reverse came in handy a couple of times today. I don't have to be so careful with where I park.
So I will just wait and see what happens. I probably won't go back into Elk Grove Power Sports for a while. But if the bike is still there the next time I am in there, anything can happen.
If I did decide to buy it yesterday, it would have been more by compulsion than any logic. A day does wonders for logic.
BTW, the guy with the LW is the programmer for the Elcon chargers! That is how we met!
Below are our bikes DC fast charging in Grass Valley, CA today after a great ride all over the foothills and around Penn Valley.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Have you considered one of those two wheel drive ubco bikes? Fill out the form for a test ride on line, that would give you a reason to postpone the purchace of a highway bike.
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Have you considered one of those two wheel drive ubco bikes? Fill out the form for a test ride on line, that would give you a reason to postpone the purchace of a highway bike.
It's the first I heard of such. Do you mean these? (https://www.ubcobikes.com/us/product/2x2-utility-bike/)
-Don- Auburn, CA
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I say you have enough motorcycles and need to branch out. How about trying a kick scooter (Horizon or Mantis), electric assist bicycle or Segway? Something like that would have a lot more entertainment value, for being a different way to get around for different use cases.
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"What city?" asks the guy who says he worked there. 9-9
-Crissa
It looks like your 8.5 KWH will get you there, you just need better charging. There are a lot of J-charge stations north of you, especially if you can use the home chargers on the way. Home chargers can be set on Plugshare and then many people will let you charge up at their own house.
I never used such, but I know others who have and they say it's a great way to meet other EV owners and have a nice BS session. I know one guy on line who goes out of the way to look for such as he has a charge tank on his SR/S and can often charge at 12 KW at houses with his Tesla Tap, since he cannot charge at many other places at the full 12 KW.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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I don't have the range to take the roads there are and keep up with traffic, fast charger or no. I don't want to spend an hour in San Bruno!
-Crissa
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I was just looking at the EGPS website. They just dropped the price on that bike I like by a couple of thousand bucks.
See here. (https://www.egpowersports.com/Motorcycles-Zero-Motorcycles-SRS-NA-ZF144-Premium-2020-Elk-Grove-CA-14197794-ea86-4de5-9d52-ab79011b9983)
I just cannot figure out if it's good or bad that I am on an RV trip right now, nowhere close to EGPS.
EDIT: But perhaps not that great of a deal. I just now noticed these important words:
"**PRICE DOES NOT INCLUDE INSTALLED ACCESSORIES!**"
-Don- Pahrump, NV
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I was just looking at the EGPS website. They just dropped the price on that bike I like by a couple of thousand bucks.
See here. (https://www.egpowersports.com/Motorcycles-Zero-Motorcycles-SRS-NA-ZF144-Premium-2020-Elk-Grove-CA-14197794-ea86-4de5-9d52-ab79011b9983)
I just cannot figure out if it's good or bad that I am on an RV trip right now, nowhere close to EGPS.
EDIT: But perhaps not that great of a deal. I just now noticed these important words:
"**PRICE DOES NOT INCLUDE INSTALLED ACCESSORIES!**"
-Don- Pahrump, NV
Such as all of the installed accessories shown in all of the photos of the bike? ::) Sneaky. :P
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Such as all of the installed accessories shown in all of the photos of the bike? ::) Sneaky. :P
And that's more than $2,000 worth of accessories.
So did they really drop the price or increase it? Or were the accessories mounted on the bike not included even the first time I looked at it?
When the Reno Zero dealer had the standard model with all the same stuff added, it was included in their price, which made the standard model the same price as the premium without anything added.
-Don- Pahrump, NV
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Does the premium come with all accessories installed? I thought all the luggage racks and bags were accessory add-ons.
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Does the premium come with all accessories installed? I thought all the luggage racks and bags were accessory add-ons.
AFAIK, the shops sometimes add the stuff to one of their SR/Ses. But I expect to have that included on their price tag. Reno, did such, EGPS did not. So it's inconsistent.
So the SR/S at EGPS is not as great of a deal as it first looked like, as it's more than a 2K$ difference for the accessories.
-Don- Pahrump, NV
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Something tells me if you place a check for the asking price down on the desk and say with everything included that you'll be riding off on a SRS.
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Something tells me if you place a check for the asking price down on the desk and say with everything included that you'll be riding off on a SRS.
I kinda doubt it. I don' t think they make all that much profit on new bikes.
But it being close to the end of the year usually helps a lot on a 2020 model.
And what is the difference between a 2020 & a 2021 SR/S? A different paint job?
-Don Pahrump, NV
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It's weird that nobody approached you while you were there eyeing the motorcycles. Every time I go there someone always asks me if I need help with something. I'm going to have to go back there pretty soon since my SR/F threw a check engine light on me