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Tech => Parts, Mods And Hacks => Topic started by: Electric Cowboy on May 13, 2012, 11:42:48 AM
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Would you like a tool that let you, Zero, or your dealer log onto your bike for diagnostics/tweaking from anywhere right on their phone or tablet?
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Depending on the price, I might pay for it. It could pay for itself in a few 3.5-hour drives to the dealer.
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Trying to keep the price very reasonable.
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it's already got an OBDII port doesn't it?
just get a bluetooth-obd module and Torque, just need the PID's from Zero
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I'm talking your bike is 350 miles from the nearest dealer and rather than drive there, they can just connect in to your bike, and see how things look.
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I realize that.....Look at Torque again.... it's got telnet for developers . Just need to set up a server and give Zero access or write a plugin that can act as a remote server.
AIDL API for hooking up 3rd party applications, An easy Telnet interface for designers to speak to the adapter, as well as an OBD scanner.
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it's already got an OBDII port doesn't it?
just get a bluetooth-obd module and Torque, just need the PID's from Zero
I don't know, but if it does, I'm all over your suggestion :) I use a couple of OBD tools (Torque being one) with a Bluetooth OBD scanner on my cages and love 'em.
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Very Cool I'll look into it.
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Yes for sure. Remote diag. Does the Zero 2011 or older have onboard logging computer? On my sporty i can tead out the diag codes easily and determine whats wrong.
So far done only Skype. Allows at least to look and hear.
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Not sure about before the 2011, but the 2011 and 2012 both do have an onboard single thread computer called the MBB ( main bike board ). It is also hooked into the BMS and other sensors on the bike.
So far done only Skype. Allows at least to look and hear.
You integrated your bike with skype?
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Hi Ecowboy --
not quite "integrated" with Skype. just a remote call with Zero to troubleshoot a problem. Its better than emails, or even email to a ICE-dealer, then forwards to Zero, then gets reply, then tells me I need the sparkplugs replaced (or so....).
Would love to know a way to log, download and transmit system data to Zero or use for other purposes.
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@manly tom, very cool, coming your way soon.
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Keep me in mind, Ecowboy. I have a 2010 DS but I'd like to try it anyway.
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Hey Ed, I am also working on a non-ECU implementation. This might be of use to you as the 2010 doesn't support 3rd party ECU hookups.
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Hey Ed, I am also working on a non-ECU implementation. This might be of use to you as the 2010 doesn't support 3rd party ECU hookups.
Hi Electric Cowboy
any news on your projects in relation to the 2011 or older models. Seems we are getting stuck by now.... need some way to diag the bike.
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I have made a lot of progress on this and we are ready to start production of several different types of cable all of which will work for 2011 and newer. They have been tested and work well on 2011, 2012, and 2013 year model bikes, and will also work for the 2014 bike. I'll be setting up a KickStarter project for it to help us get going. I hope you guys will be interested in the cables so we can get up enough funds to get the parts we need to build them.
(https://scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1475855_10201140720101066_1459844821_n.jpg)
See more photos as I update progress here. (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10201140674899936.1073741832.1261517185&type=1&l=62a1487ccc)
Kickstarter info :
Reward #1
Pledge $5 or more
3D Printed card thanking you for your support.
Estimated delivery: Feb 2014
Add $4 USD to ship outside the US
Reward #2
Pledge $15 or more
A DigiNow.it sticker like those on our race bike, and a 3D Printed card thanking you for your support.
Estimated delivery: Feb 2014
Add $4 USD to ship outside the US
Reward #3
Pledge $49 or more
Basic Cable Connect any Zero Motorcycle to any computer via USB. This cable can be plugged into the Zero OBDII port and used to connect to the Zero Motorcycle with any terminal on any computer with a USB port. Plus DigiNow.it race stickers and a 3D printed card thanking you for your support.
Estimated delivery: Mar 2014
Add $10 USD to ship outside the US
Reward #4
Pledge $78 or more
Race Dongle for any Zero Motorcycle. These dongles connect to the Zero Motorcycle via the OBDII port, and flash them with a proven race profile. This should get your bike to top speeds of 100-130 mph as well as allow for faster charging depending on your Zero model. Please let us know what year and model you would like the profile for. Plus DigiNow.it race stickers and a 3D printed card thanking you for your support.
Estimated delivery: Apr 2014
Add $10 USD to ship outside the US
Reward #5
Pledge $78 or more
Street Dongle for any Zero Motorcycle. These dongles connect to the Zero Motorcycle via the OBDII port, and flash them with a profile that is designed to give you optimized power at the low end and still give you some extra range. Please let us know what year and model you would like the profile for. Plus DigiNow.it race stickers and a 3D printed card thanking you for your support.
Estimated delivery: Apr 2014
Add $10 USD to ship outside the US
Reward #6
Pledge $78 or more
Touring Dongle for any Zero Motorcycle. This dongle is designed to connect with your Zero Motorcycle via the OBDII port and flash it with a profile for touring longer distances at mostly legal speeds with enough power to do a burn out, but set up not to waste your juice. Please let us know what year and model you would like the profile for. Plus DigiNow.it race stickers and a 3D printed card thanking you for your support.
Estimated delivery: Apr 2014
Add $10 USD to ship outside the US
Reward #7
Pledge $98 or more
Reaper Dongle for any Zero Motorcycle. These dongles connect to the Zero Motorcycle via the OBDII port, and flash them with a profile that will likely void your warranty in order to give you the maximum safe power and range from your Zero Motorcycle. These settings will be able to push your bike to its very edge of power, range and safety so you should always make sure that your tires are inflated to the proper pressure for the weather and your riding style, your belt should have the proper tension, your belt should be in good condition and your breaks are good before riding. You should always charge your battery when you stop in a low state of charge with this profile. Ride this profile at your own risk Please let us know what year and model you would like the profile for. Plus DigiNow.it race stickers and a 3D printed card thanking you for your support.
Estimated delivery: Apr 2014
Add $10 USD to ship outside the US
Reward #8
Pledge $104 or more
Smart Dongle & Thank you in source code displayed to all future users. This cable will allow you to connect any Zero Motorcycle to any computer via Bluetooth and the OBDII port, no USB cables required! You can simply plug it in and forget it with no cables to hang loose. It has all the functionality of the Smart Cable (#9) but without the ability to connect via USB. The primary benefit of this dongle is the ease of use and lack of connecting cables. If your computer does not have bluetooth installed you can pick up a bluetooth USB for about $10 at most electronics stores.
Estimated delivery: Apr 2014
Add $10 USD to ship outside the US
Reward #9
Pledge $119 or more
Smart Cable & Thank you in source code displayed to all future users. Like the basic cable, this cable will allow you to connect any Zero Motorcycle to any computer via USB and the OBDII port, as well as via Bluetooth! And, it also contains an additional component that has all of the code from each of the Dongles ( Race, Street, Tour and Reaper ). You can connect to the bike via your computers terminal, or your serial terminal of choice, via USB. Here you will be able to debug, see your bikes stats, modify settings, as well as instantly flash the profile of your choice onto your bike with simple 1 line commands like : diginow ride as race, diginow ride as street, diginow ride as touring, diginow enter reaper mode, and more. All commands will be documented when you receive your cable. On top of this your name will show up with a thank you every time someone uses any of our smart cables! Our gratitude for you will be immortalized in all future smart cables. Plus DigiNow.it race stickers and a 3D printed card thanking you for your support.
Estimated delivery: Apr 2014
Add $10 USD to ship outside the US
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These cables which are flashing the bike.
Are these flashing the MBB on the 2011 models, or have you found a way to flash the Sevcon controllers on the 2012 onwards bikes without using the IXAAT dongle?
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If it works, i'll take #8 (it seems quite cheap actually), but how do you get more power out of the standard components?
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These cables which are flashing the bike.
Are these flashing the MBB on the 2011 models, or have you found a way to flash the Sevcon controllers on the 2012 onwards bikes without using the IXAAT dongle?
So the ones that flash the bike won't be cables, you just plug it and and you are done. Thats why I call it a dongle. If you think there is a better name for it, let me know and we will consider it ;)
The smart cable will also have the ability to flash the bike as it contains ALL of the dongle codes on its micro controller as well.
The data will be flashed to the MBB on the 2011 and on 2012 or newer models it will flash the MBB as well as various settings in the Sevcon via the MBB. I may add the can protocol as well, but for right now I don't see a need for it.
Also, we have decided to include bluetooth in the smart cable as it has proven reliable in testing and quite handy. This means there will also be a Bluetooth Only version of the smart cable, perhaps to be called the bluetooth smart dongle.
If it works, i'll take #8 (it seems quite cheap actually), but how do you get more power out of the standard components?
Zero's factory settings are very conservative compared to what the components are actually capable of. Over time with racing, canyon riding, long commutes through the mountains and discussing things with Terry, Harlan, Jeremiah and other crazies like myself, I have been able to come up with reliable and safe profiles for various kinds of riding.
Also, I have changed the original post so #8 is now #9 since I added in the smart bluetooth dongle.
I would also consider any requests the initial backers had if they wanted something specific. I could even create a custom profile named after a backer if they so desired with custom settings.
And keeping it affordable is the goal, as a racer, I know that every penny counts.
Thanks for the feedback guys!
-EC
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When the Kickstarter goes live, then I WILL pledge, the #9 looks like it would astisfy my (inner?) nerd... :)
Would you consider supporting the connection to the BMS as well?
Bluetooth would be excellent, we could write our own apps for our Zero's for instance.
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This sounds good to me (#9, though would likely only choose an efficiency profile). I'm a bit of a tinkerer and command line / data junkie, and am not scared of firmware modifications as long as there is a way to snapshot/restore.
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When the Kickstarter goes live, then I WILL pledge, the #9 looks like it would astisfy my (inner?) nerd... :)
Would you consider supporting the connection to the BMS as well?
Bluetooth would be excellent, we could write our own apps for our Zero's for instance.
All of the cables as well as the bluetooth dongle support BMS communication.
Thank you for your question about it, I hope there are more like this so I can get everyone's feed back and tweak things in case there anything we missed overlooked, or didn't think of.
This sounds good to me (#9, though would likely only choose an efficiency profile). I'm a bit of a tinkerer and command line / data junkie, and am not scared of firmware modifications as long as there is a way to snapshot/restore.
Hey Brian, currently we can reset to factory for all bikes, and are currently working with an onboard memory integration to store profiles and other data, like real time data logging.
This would actually be really good for me as a racer because I could decide on a profile I liked for a specific track and easily save or flash it. If you think this would be a value for you, I will make sure it is one of the things we get done.
Thanks again for your feedback, I hope you will enjoy it, I started just tinkering too. You can see some of my crazy mods on my facebook albums from as far back as 2011.
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Would it be possible to use the bluetooth device #8 as a plug and ride device. That is have it connected while riding?
If so, are there any plans for data logging?
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Would it be possible to use the bluetooth device #8 as a plug and ride device. That is have it connected while riding?
If so, are there any plans for data logging?
I have to test the current design on a stock 2013, mine is heavily modified and the ODBII port is moved to the tank area, but I expect the answer is yes. For a 2012 & 2011 the answer is definitely yes. If we need to we will just have to redesign the dongle so it works for all bikes, but that's why we are doing the kick starter ;)
Also, before we launch the kick starter I am working on 2 more things based off of the responses from everyone here and on facebook.
1) Data logging for the smart board
2) Basic Bluetooth Dongle. Like the basic cable but Bluetooth.
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Just released the base version of our chrome app for communicating with bikes. This app is not yet specific to any bikes but rather our own serial terminal. It will work with Mac, PC, and Linux. It will also be good for using with any of our cables, though we will be releasing a more full featured version with Zero specific code to interact with our smart cables.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/diginow-serial-terminal/kfmecbejcnepbfdcdbbhfcjmdmmcmoah
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/VSBQlcvfReHO_XeU4AJeJA0L192zHWXhUPZFxsanVzG5xjT40R1O1I2ZARaRePc07DP1-zrB6Q=s640-h400-e365-rw)
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Count me in! if this will work on the 2011, 2012 UX model?
Jerry
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Count me in! if this will work on the 2011, 2012 UX model?
Jerry
You bet ;)
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Count me in! if this will work on the 2011, 2012 UX model?
Jerry
You bet ;)
Awesome! let me know how I can help. I surely will go for the the $49 option and I have 3 bikes here ready and waiting for Bata testing. 1 2011 ux and 2 2012 ux I operate Windows 7 and XP, lots of epereince with arduinos.
Do you have a Pay-pal account
Cheers Jerry
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Awesome! let me know how I can help. I surely will go for the the $49 option and I have 3 bikes here ready and waiting for Bata testing. 1 2011 ux and 2 2012 ux I operate Windows 7 and XP, lots of epereince with arduinos.
Do you have a Pay-pal account
Cheers Jerry
Everything should be all ready to go, but it never hurts to have some additional testing. I sent you a PM about the details.
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DigiNow - Phone runninODBII Cable and Bluetooth for Zero motorcycles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzuX6eySeoY#ws)
DigiNow - Phone communicating with Zero motorcycles via Bluetooth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A2ZV3fo57w#ws)
DigiNow - Computer Tablet communicating with Zero motorcycle via Bluetooth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGN6AbWe5RA#ws)
Phone connected via bluetooth.
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(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-222yDWFdx8U/Urkv2lBSkgI/AAAAAAAAOY4/ynsonD9KABY/w765-h431-no/IMAG2414.jpg)
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I second that!
Is the performance improvement over stock significant? Are we talking about 2-3% or more like 10%?
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I second that!
Is the performance improvement over stock significant? Are we talking about 2-3% or more like 10%?
Depends on the year and model. What ones are you talking about?
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I second that!
Is the performance improvement over stock significant? Are we talking about 2-3% or more like 10%?
Depends on the year and model. What ones are you talking about?
I have a 2012 S ZF9 and my dealer races a 2013 S ZF8.5 and a 2012 X who I'm sure will also be interested.
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I'd also be interested in the performance improvements for the 2012 ZF9-S as well.
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For the 2013, yes the performance enhancement is significant, as it is for the 2011.
When I release the 2012 S/DS Performance enhancement it will also be significant. Basically it will be close to my world record setting which I did on a stock ZF6 S. I will be tuning it down a bit to keep your bike in reasonable safety Zones.
Since everyone seemed so interested we decided to skip the kickstarter month and go right to production with the parts we are ready on and raise the funds that way. So for the 2012 we have both the basic Bluetooth and the basic USB cable right now. The profile/mode dongles will be available for the 2012s in a few weeks.
2011 and 2013 models though can get the profile/mode dongles right now along with the blue tooth basic and USB basic OBDII cables.
Hollywood electrics also has a Size 6 controller kit you can install which will drastically improve your 2012, and is not too hard to install. I'll talk to Harlan once he is back about possibly including one of our cables in the size 6 kit, maybe he will be interested in it? But as I said, even without the size 6, we will be releasing profiles that have noticeable power differences.
-Brandon
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Is there any difference in the profiles for size4 or size6 controllers? I already have a size 6 controller, can I use a 2012 dongle without any adjustments?
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Is there any difference in the profiles for size4 or size6 controllers? I already have a size 6 controller, can I use a 2012 dongle without any adjustments?
The issue you brought up is why we have not yet released for the 2012, and have not released the smart cable. We want to make sure that an end user needs to do as little as possible to make his or her dongle or cable work.
-Brandon
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I think I will wait for the smart cable with presets.
Im surprised you haven't done a dongle for the FX. Given that the controller is the same as an S but it makes a lot less power then I imagine the FX has the most to gain from 'derestricting'. I know cooling is more of an issue with the smaller motor but it just means being a bit sensible.
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I think I will wait for the smart cable with presets.
Im surprised you haven't done a dongle for the FX. Given that the controller is the same as an S but it makes a lot less power then I imagine the FX has the most to gain from 'derestricting'. I know cooling is more of an issue with the smaller motor but it just means being a bit sensible.
The reason we don't have those dongles out yet is because of the position of the OBDII ports. FX, XU and MX all have ports that would be in the way if the dongle was left in. While you can just plug it in and flash the MBB then remove it, I am a fan of leaving the dongle in in case any kind of fault re flashes the bike back to factory settings, the dongle can then resend the specified profile.
-EC
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Are these dongles still available for purchase?
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Brandon,
I have a 2012 XU that I picked up because I couldn't resist the price. I know that as the "runt" of the litter, that there won't be much to work with, but, any idea as to what one might expect in improvement?
On one end, more range might be nice. With the sacrifice of performance of course. On the other end, Any performance enhancements at the cost of range? Starting with about 12 hp, not expecting much, but,
every little bit would help. Also, with everyone upgrading to the 6 controllers, how feasible would it be to put a 4 controller on the XU?
Thanks
Ed
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Is this available? I couldn't find any links but if the pricing is what the thread says I would love to get my hands on one for a 2012 DS... my DS has just started the roughness issue and it has had two recalls for firmware, for me would be good to check it and reset myself and save a dealer trip.
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Hi guys, we have secured an official dealer and will be working with them to get you the final products in the future.
[user]KrazyEd[/user] The 2012 XU can get more range, but not with a size 6 controller. If you add one of those in the XU, you will have a wheelie machine that you never want to save juice on. ;)
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I had actually inquired about the size 4 controller for the XU. I figured that the size 6 would be too much temptation to avoid inevitable self destruction.
I inquired about any size 4s laying around from size 6 upgrades to OTHER models.
Thanks for the reply though.
Are the dongles available yet?
Thanks
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WOW, what a great idea!
Any more update on the availability of this dongle or cable? I have never used OBDII before so I need something that is noob proof...
I just bought manlytom's old 2011 Zero S, which came with a spare MBB, and it sounds like what you are offering would be the best solution to improve throttle response and help with diagnostics.
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FYI in case you guys were still looking. The data dongles are now available through Hollywood Electrics. Give them a call if you want one. They just got an order in, not sure how long before they sell out though. Harlan said he had sold several already.
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I got my Data Reaper from Harlan, and, after a few days of issues, finally got it to communicate with my phone.
It didn't seem to like the keyboard I was using, had to go more stock. After finally getting it to communicate,
I discovered that I had level 0 access. I was able to discover a password that now gives me level 3 access.
Is this the highest level available? The dongle is presently on my 2013 FX 5.7. I saw mention of "profiles"
Have these been released, and if so, are they available for the FX? Are they already on the dongle?
Don't want to do anything real crazy, just some "enhancements". Any advice or suggestions would
be appreciated.
Thanks
Edward J. Malkiewicz