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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: BrianTRice@gmail.com on June 18, 2013, 09:45:39 PM
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The accessory site (http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/) has been updated, and divided into storage, comfort, power, performance, etc. categories. There are definitely more charging options listed now, an official RAM mount for the iPhone, more flexible luggage options, and even different belt and gear configurations. I also noticed some summer mesh gloves with touchscreen finger tips, which is an interesting choice (I use my phone while poking around town and this would save me the step of taking a glove off at the side of the street).
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Nice.
They've dropped the price of their accessory 1 kW chargers slightly - I recall they went as high as $800, depending on model. Now it looks like every model is $600.
Socket kit for the J1772 adapter is a much cleaner installation. I'm still disappointed that Zero did not design a more powerful onboard charger for 2013.
They also have a couple different gearing options now.
1. Stock 132 rear, 28 front (4.71:1). 95 mph top speed, 321 ft-lb rear wheel torque.
2. Stock 132 rear, 25 front (5.28:1). 82-84 mph top speed, 359 ft-lb rear wheel torque (+12%).
3. 98 rear, stock 25 front (3.92:1). 107 mph top speed, 267 ft-lb rear wheel torque (-17%).
I think the 98 tooth rear sprocket will be a win for short circuit racers on tracks with corner speeds in the 50 to 70 mph range. It may also slightly improve highway range efficiency, at the cost of slower acceleration from a stop.
Heated seat is pretty nice. Between heated grips, heated seat, windscreen.. you could turn the Zero into a very comfortable 20F+ commuter.
Edit: missed that the 98 tooth rear sprocket also goes to a 25 tooth front sprocket.
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Brian,
Thank you for the post and the feedback on your installations so far. It's been very helpful already, and it's a relief to finally have this stuff updated for everyone to enjoy.
Regards,
aaronzeromoto
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Some of the accessoires are priced a lot higher in Euro's than normal rate conversion and VAT justify unfortunately.
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The sprocket kits: 10/10
Nice job Zero
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KingCharles,
European prices also reflect import duties and additional shipping costs. Unfortunately, these costs are quite substantial in some cases. We are working to source some items locally or have them shipped directly to Europe. Send me a PM with those items you think cause the biggest concern so I can work on them first.
Regards,
aaronzeromoto
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I'll duplicate my post about the new heated seat here as this seems to be the appropriate location:
Here is a link to the heated seat: http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_2&products_id=183 (http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_2&products_id=183)
I find this interesting, not because the seat is heated (I don't need that), but because the seat is made by Sargent and not Corbin. I have a Sargent seat on my F650GS and love it. It is very well made (as good, if not better than the stock BMW seat - and much better than any Corbin seat that I have owned) and much more comfortable than the stock seat. I just came back from a 1,750 mile ride on my BMW, to and around eastern Oregon, and the seat kept me happy. The stock seat gives me a pain after about 2 hours. Hopefully this Sargent seat will work as well for 2013 Zero owners. If I had a 2013 model I would buy one. The Sargent seat for my BMW set me back $450, so the Zero seat is a very good deal, especially for a low volume item and one that is heated. (Try pricing a Corbin heated seat sometime.) ::)
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Thank you for the post and the feedback on your installations so far. It's been very helpful already, and it's a relief to finally have this stuff updated for everyone to enjoy.
I'm glad to talk about Zero in public and tinker with the bike. I work for a software startup company so understand the need for an active user community to spread good information. With that in mind, I'll gladly avoid posting the equivalent of a PR notice to the forum if you'd rather do it officially. :)
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Thank you for the post and the feedback on your installations so far. It's been very helpful already, and it's a relief to finally have this stuff updated for everyone to enjoy.
i have an xu. i have a little feedback to add, ... on the primary accessory page it gives the impression the top box is available for my model. when i go deeper i find out that is not the case. :(
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Will the electric gear have an appreciable effect on range? I love heated grips + hand guards 8)
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Will the electric gear have an appreciable effect on range? I love heated grips + hand guards 8)
Since the headlamp would take (by my back of the napkin calculation) over a week to drain my 11.4's battery, I'll assume that the range impact is negligible (1 mile) at best. Most traditional motorcycle accessories draw a tiny amount of power compared to a 2013 Zero motor (hundreds of amps at much higher voltage).
Seriously, it's a 10kWh battery that can be used up in 90 minutes by the motor, and that's roughly 7kW compared to most heated grip requirements of what? 50 watts? Don't worry about it.
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Hi Brian,
Please keep up the posting. This is a user forum and not sponsored by Zero. So I can't use it to advertise, but instead I participate as another user who happens to work for Zero. I really appreciate your help. You'll be interested to know that our lead accessory engineer, Zac, reads your posts carefully and is already making improvements based on your feedback.
Motoxo, we have corrected our mistake. Sorry for the confusion.
vitaminC, I don't have a official or engineering approved number to give you (yet). But Brian's calculation looks pretty accurate to me. :) I can also say that I have used the heated grips on high multiple times during my commute and saw no noticeable change in range.
Regards,
Aaron
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xo, we have corrected our mistake. Sorry for the confusion.
thank you. responsive humility is an admirable trait. consider me a big fan (that is still looking for a more rigid storage solution.)
two thumbs up to zero motorcycles.
new accessories look great ... especially the cool leather jacket ... maybe someday after i get my full face helmet so people quit asking me so many questions at intersections.
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Of course the mileage impact of other drains on the battery is proportional to the time used for the ride. Highway rides at higher sppeds will not utilize much time so the small w/h drain of lights or accessories will have only a very small effect on mileage.
On the other hand, on my dirt rides where my average speed may be in the range of 10 to 15 mph and the ride lasting 2 to 3 hours, just the headlight alone might make the difference between walking the last mile back or riding it. On my first two Zeros (2010 DS & 2012 DS) I installed Xenon headlamps which were on only on high beam on the switch and I would dirt ride with the light off.
On my 2013 FX I have disconnected the factory stock headlamp's low beam wire so I can turn it off for dirt riding. When I get back home from my trip I will install another switch to kill the headlamp so that I can still use low beam if riding at night in traffic.
Tikester
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... maybe someday after i get my full face helmet so people quit asking me so many questions at intersections.
I can say for sure that full face helmets do not stop the questions. :)
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Please keep up the posting. This is a user forum and not sponsored by Zero. So I can't use it to advertise, but instead I participate as another user who happens to work for Zero. I really appreciate your help. You'll be interested to know that our lead accessory engineer, Zac, reads your posts carefully and is already making improvements based on your feedback.
That's awesome; thank you all for paying attention.
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Please keep up the posting. This is a user forum and not sponsored by Zero. So I can't use it to advertise, but instead I participate as another user who happens to work for Zero. I really appreciate your help. You'll be interested to know that our lead accessory engineer, Zac, reads your posts carefully and is already making improvements based on your feedback.
That's awesome; thank you all for paying attention.
This. I may be atypical as a Zero customer, but official interactions on forums mean a great deal to me. Luke sold me on the engineering work done on the 2012 bikes via his postings on elmoto and endless-sphere.
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Richard230,
Thanks for the post on the seat. Once again, our description has created confusion. The Variable Heated Seat by Sargent is a stock seat that includes the Seat Mounted Switch (SMS) heating solution from Sargent. I rewrote the description to clarify this and we'll get it posted in the next week. We are collecting all the feedback world wide and reconciling it for a final set of changes.
As a side note, I got the clear feedback that you'd be interested in a more comfortable, non-heated seat option.
Thanks,
aaronzeromoto
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Thanks for the update and the new, cool stuff!
Also happy to hear that the items become more and more available, even in Belgium, Europa! :)
E
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Richard230,
Thanks for the post on the seat. Once again, our description has created confusion. The Variable Heated Seat by Sargent is a stock seat that includes the Seat Mounted Switch (SMS) heating solution from Sargent. I rewrote the description to clarify this and we'll get it posted in the next week. We are collecting all the feedback world wide and reconciling it for a final set of changes.
As a side note, I got the clear feedback that you'd be interested in a more comfortable, non-heated seat option.
Thanks,
aaronzeromoto
As someone who is currently sitting on an Air Hawk seat pad, you would be right. ;)
P.S. my next motorcycle purchase will be a 2014 Zero S - so get the seat ready for me. :)
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I've been doing very rough dirt rides all week using the Corbin seat for a lower stand-over height but man is my butt sore now! I'll continue to use it because I can't see how a softer seat could be made without increasing the height over what the Corbin seat is.
On a very scary section of trail yesterday it was comforting to know I could get my feet on the ground, if I needed to and I have lowered my front fork the max 1", I'd like to have a rear shock that was 1/2" shorter giving me a 1" lower at the rear. BTW - I'm 6' 3". Maybe Zero should offer a shorter shock in the accessory store for those of us who don't try to catch "big air".
Trikester
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Hi Aaron, any news about Zero selling bikes in Australia? Have been waiting over 2 years to buy a Zero, have noticed the 2013 models have been approved RCVS for Australian design rules.
http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=2881.0 (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=2881.0)
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Has anyone tried the new DS windscreen on their 2013 S or DS? If so, what was it like? I imagine it might increase range a tad by decreasing wind drag.
Cheers, EastSider
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Hope to get my DS this week, with screen. ;D
Let you know how that goes!
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I have the Dual Sport Screen (10-05723) on my Zero DS. It definitely reduces the wind on my chest especially when I am in a tuck. I believe it does help a little with range, but I have no hard data to prove it. I like the look of it on the Zero DS the most.
It's my understanding that the Commuter Screen (p/n 10-05722), which extends higher, will do more to improve range. Again, no hard data to prove it, but that was the general feedback from our test riders.
Please post your feedback on your findings.
Regards,
aaronzeromoto
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I am convinced that the Zero (Slipstreamer Spit-Fire) windshield on my 2012 Zero S contributes to the bike's range, compared with riding "naked". I have ridden both with and without the windshield over the same route and the windshield really seems to help with both comfort and range. Now I never take if off. :)
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I am convinced that the Zero (Slipstreamer Spit-Fire) windshield on my 2012 Zero S contributes to the bike's range, compared with riding "naked". I have ridden both with and without the windshield over the same route and the windshield really seems to help with both comfort and range. Now I never take if off. :)
I have the Dual Sport Screen (10-05723) on my Zero DS. It definitely reduces the wind on my chest especially when I am in a tuck. I believe it does help a little with range, but I have no hard data to prove it. I like the look of it on the Zero DS the most.
It's my understanding that the Commuter Screen (p/n 10-05722), which extends higher, will do more to improve range. Again, no hard data to prove it, but that was the general feedback from our test riders.
Please post your feedback on your findings.
Regards,
aaronzeromoto
Great, thanks! Sounds like a worthy accessory.
EastSider
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I have the 2012 "Summer Screen" on my 12 DS and it improves range on the highway. I have ridden the same route with and without it and get a little more range with the shield on.
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I bought the RAM X-Grip a month ago. The thing has been working great up until last Friday, where I inadvertently found its limitations; uneven surfaces at highway speed. You can see in this video that I lose my phone in the blink of an eye. Needless to say, I am furious and would NOT recommend this as a mounting solution!
My Phone Falls Off RAM X-Grip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2G3FamLAuQ#ws)
On a separate note, you can also see that I've installed the commuter windscreen on my bike. I think it looks great, and the winds at 65 feels like it does at 55 without the screen. Doesn't sound like much, but if you're spending a good amount of time on the highway this thing makes a difference.
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How much does it increase your range ?
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How much does it increase your range ?
I have very limited sample with it on since I just got the screen last week. Worst case I've seen is that the range was almost the same compared the average I've seen without the screen. Best case was a 25% increase in range, when compared to that same average.
This is based on reading the "% State of Charge" on the Zero app for my phone after I pull into work. My commute is about 17 miles (13 highway). Without the screen, I would come into work with the charge at about 77% or 78%. Today with the screen, I came in at 82%, but I've seen it get down below 80% on days where traffic is light and I maintain speed.
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I have the summer screen for the 2012 Zero. It seems to help around 5% at highway speeds.
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I am convinced that the Zero (Slipstreamer Spit-Fire) windshield on my 2012 Zero S contributes to the bike's range, compared with riding "naked". I have ridden both with and without the windshield over the same route and the windshield really seems to help with both comfort and range. Now I never take if off. :)
I have the Dual Sport Screen (10-05723) on my Zero DS. It definitely reduces the wind on my chest especially when I am in a tuck. I believe it does help a little with range, but I have no hard data to prove it. I like the look of it on the Zero DS the most.
It's my understanding that the Commuter Screen (p/n 10-05722), which extends higher, will do more to improve range. Again, no hard data to prove it, but that was the general feedback from our test riders.
Please post your feedback on your findings.
Regards,
aaronzeromoto
Great, thanks! Sounds like a worthy accessory.
EastSider
Got the summer screen for my 2012 S as for my 2011 S. Didn't measure the improvement on the S as it came with, but did measure an approx. 10% range improvement for the 2011 S with vs w/o the screen when riding ave. 40MPH speeds.
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I have the 2012 "Summer Screen" on my 12 DS and it improves range on the highway. I have ridden the same route with and without it and get a little more range with the shield on.
I finally attached my windscreen and it definitely increases the highway speed comfort, and seems to help with range too. I'm loving it! Thanks all.
EastSider
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Any more estimates as to how much a windscreen helps with bike range?
I just installed my old beat-up slipstreamer spit-fire shield, it looks great, and after about 20 miles on the freeway at about 65 mph, had only sucked 20% of the battery... this is a major increase is range, like 20%... but it was just one trial. And of course, it was great at improving the comfort level on the freeway, like night-and-day (which is what I was expecting...)
Unfortunately, the freeway trip I was taking was to drop it off at the service dept at SJ BMW--a few weeks ago the bike had stopped working for a full 30 minutes, wouldn't start, and then like magic, no problems since. But it will come out of warranty in a few months so I figure I'd bring it in. It had done this a handful of other times, but usually all it took was moving the ignition switch back and forth to 'fix' it...
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Any more estimates as to how much a windscreen helps with bike range?
I just installed my old beat-up slipstreamer spit-fire shield, it looks great, and after about 20 miles on the freeway at about 65 mph, had only sucked 20% of the battery... this is a major increase is range, like 20%... but it was just one trial. And of course, it was great at improving the comfort level on the freeway, like night-and-day (which is what I was expecting...)
Wow, the slipstreamer spitfire doesn't even seem very aerodynamic: http://slipstreamer.com/motorcycle/spitfire/ (http://slipstreamer.com/motorcycle/spitfire/)
Maybe today's warmth in the Bay Area (75F?) contributed some efficiency gains for you; I'd expect more like a 10% improvement otherwise.
I'm about to adapt a Parabellum windshield (http://parabellum.com/Parabellum-Sport-Shield-for-R1200R-P60.aspx) I found used. I'm hoping to get a 20% range improvement from that once positioned at a good angle.
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Wow, those Parabellum shields look awesome.
The other factor that may have improved my mileage was the fact I was maybe 70 feet back from a car most the time, I wonder if that could have been part of the improvement. But I was sitting upright and having to speed up and slow down in traffic a little.
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Wow, those Parabellum shields look awesome.
The other factor that may have improved my mileage was the fact I was maybe 70 feet back from a car most the time, I wonder if that could have been part of the improvement. But I was sitting upright and having to speed up and slow down in traffic a little.
When I first started riding it was still legal in California to ride any motor vehicle on the freeway (which soon ended with the huge increase in the sale of 50cc motorcycles), so I would ride my 4.9 hp Vespa 125 on the freeway. Since its top speed was only 50 mph, which was kind of slow for the freeway traffic speeds even in those days, I soon discovered that I could pull up close behind a semi-tractor trailer (I loved the smell of burned diesel fuel in the morning) and get sucked along in its wake at 55 mph, while using only about half throttle. It took me about a year to finally realize that this was not the safest thing to do. And it still isn't.... ;)