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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: MostlyBonkers on November 05, 2015, 01:43:33 PM
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I rang in and Charlie mentioned they had orders for three already. They're getting four shipped over so there'll be an extra one in stock. Tempting!
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Sweet, Civilian or Force orders?
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Civilian I imagine. I don't think Streetbike are a channel for anything but the dirty unwashed public. Sorry, I meant retail... [emoji6]
Enjoy your test ride today Justin. I was planning to get up there today but my wife suggested I swapped days. It should work better because I was already getting worried that there would only be half a charge by the time I got to have a go. I'll try not to break this one...
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I'll be there next Saturday now, as the weather was a bit rubbish and I did'nt fancy riding through it.
If your there next Sat we can meet up.
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Don't blame you, I did wonder about the weather. I'm still planning to get up there tomorrow but will let you know if my plans change.
One year on from my last trip to Streetbike, a lot of development and I'm still as enthusiastic as ever. That's despite owning the big VFR for just over a month... Nothing wrong with the VFR either, I love it!
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Erm, are they open on a Sunday?
I did'nt think they were.
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They are mate. Fancy meeting up tomorrow? We could even ride there together as you're on my way up the M1. You can have first dibs on the full battery. If you can leave me with 40% or so, that'll be plenty.
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Sure, if they are open, then we can ride up. You can take a look at ol'yellow at the same time. :)
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Sounds like a plan! PM or email me your address and I'll detour on my way. I take it you're not riding to Brum on the ol'yellow? If you are we can meet at a service station, or at Streetbike. I'm aiming to get there for 11. I'm easy with whatever. [emoji4]
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They're definitely open by the way, I spoke to Charlie this morning.
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The website says there is an SR for sale. £11k. It would be interesting to compare my S and a new SR.
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We'll be there around 11am if you want to join us. Splitting the charge across three test rides might pose a bit of a challenge, that's all.
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I'll have my Elcon with me, so I could offer to charge the SR with that.
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The website says there is an SR for sale. £11k. It would be interesting to compare my S and a new SR.
Be good to see you there, you got the black 2014 right?
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That's the one. Just clocked 6k on it.
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I tested one of those over here, lousy brakes, lousy suspension. U end up spending money to upgrade this. For 9000€ I expect to get something better to be honest. If U are on a tight budget & don't care 'bout riding characteristics it might be your once in a lifetime deal...with some issues.
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I managed a test ride on Worksoptony's 2014S while it was still the demo bike. I honestly can't remember much about the suspension. The rear brake was terrible though. How are you getting on with the bike Tony? Any problems?
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The back brake is pretty ineffective. Fortunately I very rarely use it. It doesn't release properly when used , so I have to finish the journey with the back wheel squeaking. The suspension isn't the best I've experienced. On the plus side, I have had no running problems and I have ridden through torrential rain and standing water on the road. Thoroughly enjoying the running costs. Overall I'm happy with the bike.
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Apparently the fourth one is gone, I imagine Streetbike will probably be trying to get more given how fast they moved.
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Thanks Tony, good to hear - especially about water resistance from a fellow Brit!
I wouldn't be surprised if the super police bike deal is over now. I've no doubt they've flown off the shelf in continental dealerships too.
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The back brake is pretty ineffective. Fortunately I very rarely use it. It doesn't release properly when used , so I have to finish the journey with the back wheel squeaking. The suspension isn't the best I've experienced. On the plus side, I have had no running problems and I have ridden through torrential rain and standing water on the road. Thoroughly enjoying the running costs. Overall I'm happy with the bike.
I have a 2014 S and I have the same problem with the rear brake. I never use it but if I do I have to pull the pad away from the brake or it will squeal... Just like you said. Regen negates the need for a rear brake except for emergencies...but no ABS so gotta watch it to keep from locking up. Agree about suspension too. I have also had it sitting outside unprotected in heavy rain, I have ridden it in heavy rain and I have gone through deep puddles (but not deep enough for the metal pan under the battery to be submerged... I wouldn't recommend testing the battery box under water, take Zero's word on that one) and I haven't had any issues. I recently stopped being able to connect to Bluetooth and I think I need a new DC-DC but I don't think that has to do with water proofing. Overall I love the bike but I am seriously considering an upgrade to a 2016 SR early next year.
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Thanks mrwilsn. You might get a deal on a 2015.
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Personal opinion, but I feel the bikes are a safe ride. The regen is hugely effective at slowing the bike down, perfect for wet riding. I am much more attentive and have sharper anticipation, because I am not relying on super hot breaks to stop me in an instant if I make a wrong judgment. I'd like to look at the SR, but really the S does everything I need. (I wonder what the resale of my S would be?)
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Thanks mrwilsn. You might get a deal on a 2015.
When I bought my 2014 S there were 3 main reasons I chose the S instead of the SR.
1. I wanted black and at the time I hadn't considered buying the plastic from an S and putting it on an SR (I didn't realize at the time just how easy and relatively inexpensive it would be).
2. I had to drive 5 hours to the nearest dealer (now there is a dealer only 1.5 hours). They didn't have any SRs in stock and they did have a black S. After the test ride I didn't want to wait for an SR to be delivered to the dealer and then have to drive back up there. Plus I got a deal on the S that was in stock that I wouldn't have gotten if the dealer had factory ordered an SR.
3. I anticipated that I would want to upgrade sooner rather than later due to quick evolution of the technology. Better to buy the cheaper bike first and then it gives me more reasons to upgrade and I save a little money. If I had a 2014 SR I don't think I would even be considering an upgrade.
If I decide to pull the trigger on an upgrade it will be because of the new IPM motor in the SR so I would go with a 2016 even though I could certainly get a good deal on a 2015. I am going to lose some money by upgrading so soon after purchase so I want to at least make it worth my while and upgrade to something I will hopefully be happy with for at least 2 years.
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Haha mrwilsn, being happy with a bike for two years is ambitious! I'm going to try for that length of time with my DSP when it becomes available. Having owned three bikes this year alone, I'm setting myself up for failure.
Anyhow, some news on the DSP bikes: They were dispatched yesterday. Jason reassures me that the subsidy is coming too. Seeing will be believing on that front but I shall keep faith. If Jason says it's coming that's good enough for me.
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I was just re-reading this thread and noticed that Worksop was wondering what his bike might be worth as trade in. I reckon I can have a fair stab at that one having talked money with Streetbike recently. Big spoiler alert...
I guesstimate in the region of £5k for part exchange. Maybe 4.5k for a straight sale. However, considering the subsidy, you might get less. You would benefit from money off the new one though.
You might be able to get your hands on a 2015 SR for £9,500 with the subsidy, but I doubt that you'd get much more than 4,500 for your current bike. So the cost to change will be around £5k. I wouldn't bother with the 2016 SR unless you think you'll be running at 85+ down the motorway for any length of time.
As you're happy with your bike and only do 6k a year, I'd be tempted to keep it for another year at least. I think 2017 might bring a new controller, higher revs and thus more power and top speed. I don't know if they can extract more torque from that motor and arguably they don't need to. More power would be good though. It will help with acceleration over 60mph. Fairings or at least a decent screen too.
You might be better off investing in a super charger this year.
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No plans to sell, I was going to run it for a few years, hopefully. My annual mileage is about 10k. Planning to get my money's worth out of it.
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Fair play. Hopefully I'll follow in your footsteps!
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I've ordered one of the Police Spec DS's from Streetbike,can anyone recommend a zero insurer,they appear to be very thin on the ground and.............anyone heard any recent news about a OLEV grant or subsidy by Streetike on these.
Appreciate any news ;)
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I use Bennetts. Purchase via topcashback.co.uk though, it will save you a lot more money.
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Appreciate that Worksoptony,thought I had tried them,but maybe I haven't, Lexham had been the cheapest up till now.......
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Haha mrwilsn, being happy with a bike for two years is ambitious!
Yeah, I know [emoji20] I bought the 2014 S in August of 2014 and almost upgraded to the 2015 SR this last March....even if I wait until March 2016 I will have owned it for less than two years.
Reminds me of this guy that just bought a VFR and is now getting a DS....after proclaiming Zero had waited too long when we were all speculating what Zero would announce at AIMEXPO [emoji6]
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Guilty, your honour! Lots of egg on my face this year, it's been an expensive one for bikes...[emoji15]
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Guilty, your honour! Lots of egg on my face this year, it's been an expensive one for bikes...[emoji15]
It's the old saying.... The ideal number of bikes is the number of bikes you have + 1 [emoji1]
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I did try Bennetts it turns out,they were twice as much as Lexham insurance ! Anyone else recommend an insurer of Zero's ?
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Anyone else on this forum buying one of the Police Spec DS's from Streetbike ?
If so did you get any PCP figures,or are you straight finance/ buying outright.........
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You've probably worked this out already; I'm chopping my VFR in and because they're so undervalued in the market, a bit of cash too. I'd love to keep the VFR and I'll miss it. Although one kind gent on this forum told me to not look back. I'm all in!
I don't know what APR Streetbike are offering but Honda gave me 5.9% on a vehicle purchase loan on the NC 750 back in April.
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It sounds like this doesn't apply to your circumstances MostlyBonkers,but I was very disappointed in the PCP figures.
My option was :
Working on £6495.00 with £100 deposit
36x £139.94 1 x £3025.00
Or
48x £124.08 + 1x £2565.00
As always with the final payment this is where you have the 3 options
1. Pay the balance own the bike
2. Hand it back owe nothing more
3. Trade it in against another machine
Considering new the Police Spec RRP is £13,995 I was disappointed with the Guaranteed Future Value , is the final installment figure (Balloon Payment) to own the bike outright.
For a little over £20 more a month,I can do straight finance,and own it outright at the end of the term,no balloon payment.
I think the finance company totally undervalued them for PCP. Considering how discounted the 4 Police Spec ones are,I thought the Guaranteed Future Value would be a lot closer to our discounted price,and the figures for PCP would have been a lot more attractive.
For me its important,that this bike pays for itself, as the Mrs has already reminded me I have a perfectly good 'Mille' RSVR in the garage.It will be used as my work commute - I spend £40 in diesel a week just to get to work,so its near enough,a no brainer . Sick of giving the Oil industry any more of my dollar,and supporting terrorism..............but that's a whole different forum lol
If I could get a zero point energy upgrade for the Zero,or charge it with Solar Panel charger I would ,but I don't think they've cracked that one yet.
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I'd go for the straight finance option if you can, but that's just me. I think PCP deals are the devils work. However, I also think that you'll be lucky if the bike is worth 2,500 in four years. By 2020 a 2014 will feel vintage. It's only 2015 and you wouldn't touch a 2012 with a barge pole. If you've still got it by then at least you will have paid it off and your savings on running costs will have paid for the bike. It'll be a handy run around when you're not taking your electric sports tourer out for 250 mile day trips on a single charge.
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I thought the same as you,and have chosen the straight finance option.They could do with sorting this subsidy out,will you be holding out to see what happens ?
I take your point about future value,that's some depreciation though !!!! I meant to type RRP is £13,995 + because I think the Police spec come with extra's,crash bars etc
Imagine that 250 miles from a single charge :-)
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You may have already watched this
http://youtu.be/8s03I3BcaNk (http://youtu.be/8s03I3BcaNk)
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I'm holding out for the subsidy. The expectation is set at maximum now, so I'll be sore if there isn't concrete news very soon. This has been rumbling on for far too long now. Providing a subsidy for electric bikes is such a no brainer that it should have been implemented years ago. After all, there's been one for cars since the Prius came along if I recall.
Thanks for posting the video, I hadn't seen it. That guy knows how to handle a bike! There's no way I could even attempt most of that on my VFR. It's way too heavy and has a rubbish turning circle.
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Oh, and on the subject of depreciation, I'm just so glad I didn't go for the PCP deal my local Honda dealership were offering me on a new VFR. The DCT GT version retails at £14,600. My less-than-three-year-old VFR is only worth £5k to them for a cash sale... It's spiteful! I've had a good education on how dealerships earn their money this year. Don't forget the tax man taking his share too. Even with the special deal on the DSP bikes, the government pocket £1,300. When we ride them away they instantly depreciate to £5k. There should be quite a nice buyers market for second hand 2013 and 2014 bikes in a couple of years when our batch of new owners want to upgrade. In fact I might post a separate topic for Justin's 2013S that will be available soon. It will be useful to see how much interest there is and follow it's progress from Justin to its new owner and beyond. In this tiny market and with it's history, that bike is something of a classic. I don't know how Justin would feel about having his bike stalked on this forum though!
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If they're gonna depreciate to 5K as soon as we leave the showroom,they definately need to sort this subsidy !
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I'm wondering what effect the subsidy will have on second hand values. What will it do to the value of Justin's 2013S for example? If you are able to buy a brand new DSP for £5k, then what would you be willing to pay for a second hand bike that's been running in the elements for three years and has 20,000 miles on the clock? £2,500 perhaps? You might be persuaded to pay more if there aren't any more DSP deals available. I thought it would fetch around £5k if sold alongside a DSP. Not now though... If the price of a DSP is effectively dropped to £5k, then what will one be worth when it comes out of warranty? £3,000 perhaps?
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They arrived at Streetbike :)
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:)
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:D
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:P
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Hi,
I bought a 2014'DS 11.4 Police Bike last thursday.
400km done this week end.
I confirm the bad rear break and the bad rear suspension : they need to be adapted ...
Without these remarks, I paid it 9k€ (living in France), and it's really good to ride.
I had also a 990 SMR KTM, but 15L tank and 10L/100km are really not enought/too much to go at work (~60km/day).
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Great news testpilot. Thanks for the pics. No news on the subsidy I take it?
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Congratulations morpheus. You paid the same price as us. In glad you're enjoying it so far.
Do you get a subsidy in France?
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Subsidy in France is only for car (actually), nothing for bike (except free registration card) :(
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Hi Morpheus74,congratulations on your purchase, what sort of range are you getting ?
Did your police spec come with screen + hand guards ?
Is there anything you can do about the back brake ?
Be good to have your feedback :-)
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On the topic of the subsidy,I mailed OLEV today,to see if we are any closer to them getting their act together,haven't heard back yet.
Could do with everyone turning the screw on this !
Does anyone know what this email said that Jason from Streebike sent out, in respect of this,as I didn't get it myself
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This is the last email I got from Jason:
"Hi Tom, the bikes were dispatched yesterday, heard nothing on the grant yet, but it’s coming"
That was a few days ago. If I get chance today I'll speak to Jason.
I was hoping the bikes would come with screens having seen them fitted to DSP bikes I've seen on YouTube. Let's hope they've got a box of them they're going to fit for us! Hand guards would be welcome too. Otherwise I'm going to have a very cold commute for the next few months!
I hope morpheus can let us know what range he's getting. It'll be good to compare to claimed specs and what we get. It might give us an indication of battery health too.
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I wonder if my Power Tank arrived with those bikes... ;D
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Hi,
It's complicated to told you the range because i have just 400km with it, and the first kilometers are used to test the bike :)
I am always using in custom mode with torque, speed and rear break (regen) at max.
In very violent run, 80km is the range.
In city, i think thant 160/180 km is really easy to join.
I have 30km to go at work, only 20% in city, 20% on highway, 60% on 90km/h road : on this track, the range is around 130km.
I had the bike with the protections around the bike but not screen and not hand guards...
I had to pay to have the rear support for topcase (165€).
The dealer has the topcase in stock, I think perhaps he had all with the bike, but want to sold me ... I will question him.
I had payed also the orignal tank, I'm waiting for it, around 200€, because here we have the police buttons.
this is some picts this morning.
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Thanks Mostlybonkers and morpheus your posts were really helpfull.I was thinking the same about the screen and handguards,I had specifically asked Alex to take some photos of them coming out the crates,to see for myself,but he mailed back Monday just gone,and said it was his day off Friday when they arrived.Nobody else got any pics,I must say I'm a bit suspicious,never seen pics of DSP's without them.
That range sounds promising Morpheus,we'd get even better performance with screens/handguards...........thanks for the pictures of yours,looks a lovely commuter you got there
What do you reckon to those range figures Mostlybonkers ?
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Just a precision : I had seen the bike in the reseller shop before he sold me : topcase support, screen and handguards were not on the bike, but siren, flash and crash bar were presents...
I should also buy the tool to adjust the belt (arround 24€).
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Got mine on Saturday, but is already on his way back to the dealer. Onboard charger wasn’t working.
It came in full DSP outfit, but I had the lights and crash bars removed by the dealer (Ecomobiel in Antwerp, Belgium). Paid about 9K incl. the Givi side cases.
Grtz,
Peter.
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Congrats Sweibo, U didn't get screen or hand guards either ?
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No, in Belgium nog screen or hand guards .
Grtz,
Peter.
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Swiebo,do you know if your DSP came from the same batch (cancelled order) as our UK DSP's ?
If so,might have to check out that charger issue,how are you finding the DS apart from the onboard charger problem ?
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I spoke to Jason at Streetbike this morning. The bikes have the crash bars fitted, but there are no screens or hand guards. They last spoke to their contact about the subsidy on Friday but have heard nothing since.
The big question we need an answer to is whether or not the subsidy can be applied retrospectively. If they are willing to confirm that at least, I think most people will be happy to purchase their bikes on the understanding they'll get a rebate when everything is sorted out. After all, the bikes sitting at Streetbike at the moment were orders placed by people not expecting the subsidy to happen anytime soon.
It's disappointing really. The government have spun us a line but are keeping people in limbo when otherwise they'd be on their bikes and enjoying them over the Christmas holidays. Frustrating for Streetbike too! They've got stock just sitting there and customers who have already been waiting a number of weeks since the announcement. We'll just have to be patient and grateful that something is happening I guess!
If anyone has any contact information for OLEV or other government officials that may be able to push things forward, please share it here or under the Petition topic. The more of us contacting them, the more likely they'll get on with it to get us off their back - Shawshank Redemption style! Please sir, can we have our bikes please? ;)
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I suppose it is the same batch, I signed in on a promotion in October and the bikes arrived in the Netherlands in November. It is a MY14 Zero DSP 11.4.
I only had short drive from the dealer to my home, so it’s hard to judge the bike.
Grtz.
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I asked Jason if they were able to update the firmware on all the bikes before delivery. The mechanics have already been to Holland and had their training. They brought a USB stick back with them and the firmware will get updated as part of the pre delivery process. I suggested it would be good if they can make a note of the existing firmware and the new version after the update. It would be useful to keep a record of it for each bike and give each customer the details too.
Let's hope this helps to avoid a few niggles down the road, if you'll excuse the terrible pun...
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Hi guys,
new to the forum. Test rode Streetbike's 2015 SR on Sunday and loved it. Just thought I'd chip in with what Jason told me about the subsidies on Sunday - he said they couldn't be applied retrospectively - only on unregistered bikes. So that's a bit of a bummer and making me hold off slightly on buying one just yet.
I didn't realise the Police spec bike was for sale to the general public though.......
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It's a fleet order that didn't went through.
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Hi Steve, welcome to the forum and thanks for the news.
I got this back today from the office of my local MP, which has been very helpful:
As you are aware, I was waiting for information from the Library regarding the subsidy for electric motorcycles.
I have spoken with them today, and unfortunately there is still no indication of when this grant will be put into place. Until details of the scheme is announced, it cannot yet be confirmed whether the grant will be applied retrospectively, however unfortunately I have been told that a retrospective scheme is highly unlikely.
The Library sent me a copy of an email they were privy to from the Office of Low Emission Vehicles (OLEV) – I have included an extract below.
“OLEV continues to work closely with the motorcycle industry and other key stakeholders as it finalises the details of the scheme including the grant level, eligibility criteria and the logistics of the grant. This includes considering precisely what eligibility criteria might be used for the grant scheme, how vehicles would then be assessed against the criteria and registered, how the grant scheme might be implemented for those purchasing ePTWs, for those manufacturing ePTWs and for those selling themâ€
At this time, we do not have any further information, however, if there have been no further announcements by the end of January then do get in touch and we would be happy to chase the Department again for further information. Based on the information I have received, if you do want to receive the subsidy, I would strongly recommend waiting as based on the information I have been given, I am not confident that this will be applied retrospectively.
I am sorry that this is unlikely to be the response you were hoping for, but do let me know if you have any further questions.
With best wishes for the New Year,
Victoria Parkin
Caseworker to Anne Main MP
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Thanks for the update mostlybonkers,that's what I heard from OLEV too,its a line they've been spinning for quite some time,further developments are well over due !!!!!
That's seems to be the common denominator I keep hearing,that its not going to be retrospective,so need to make sure Streetbike don't register our DSP's just yet :-)
Still waiting on news from my MP,although I presume they will be saying similar sorts of things,as soon as I hear ,I'll post it up...........
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Sod it, I'm not waiting till March...
I want my SR. :P
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Have they not been prepared to move on the price to persuade you guys to have the bikes sooner?
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Streetbike are in an awkward position as a result of the speculation about when the subsidy will come in. The bikes they have in were all ordered by people who were willing to purchase without the subsidy. At the time there wasn't any indication of when or if it might happen. The only thing we had to go on was the statement on the website from the old government.
Around the same time that the bikes actually got delivered, word was out that the subsidy was coming soon and information would be released imminently. That didn't happen as expected and I'll eat my hat if any kind of subsidy is in place before March.
It's a shame on the government for raising our expectations yet again and not delivering in any kind of reasonable timescale. If they could have just been honest about it and said that it will take more time, then everyone would have been on their bikes for Christmas.
Therefore, I don't feel it's down to Streetbike to try and drop the price on a batch of bikes that are already only giving a very small margin. In fact if Streetbike hadn't been so open about the information they were getting from their sources on the subsidy, the deals would have been done. Instead they're sitting on about ten bikes that are in limbo which isn't great for them. I think they've been very honorable throughout all of this, IMHO.
That's why I've decided to progress things rather than wait any longer. I don't think most people could have lived with themselves if they had bought just before Christmas only to have the subsidy announced along with the news on car and van subsidies on 17th December. As it happens, the changes to those grants come in with the new registration in March and I'm now convinced the motorcycle subsidy will follow suit.
If I keep running my VFR until March I'll have spent £500 on fuel, at least another 500 on the next service which includes valve clearances and another 250 or so on a new set of tyres. Also, the more miles I put on the bike, the more difficult it becomes for Streetbike to stick to their original quote. I spoke to Jason today and they're happy to go with the deal we agreed before Christmas despite me putting another thousand miles on the clock since.
I'm sure that I could come to a new deal with Streetbike in March and they'll hold the DSP for me until then. The subsidy will offset the depreciation on my VFR and cover my running costs until then. Streetbike will give it some new boots and a service and I'll probably break even. In many ways, the sensible thing to do is just wait. However, there's a niggle in the back of my mind that the government will disappoint again. Either they won't get their act together in time to implement in March or the amount of subsidy won't meet the expectations set by the previous government. They've already reduced the subsidy for cars, especially hybrids. It might only be worth about £500 on the DSP bikes, or those bikes might be under a threshold that means they get nothing. The DSP bikes are already at the same retail price of the Honda NC750S DCT I bought back in April. A very comparable bike in terms of performance but with the added cost of regular servicing and petrol.
The DSP bikes are an exception though. Most new bikes in the range are going to cost £10,000 for a 2015 model and upwards. I would like to see at least £1500 off bikes at that level but I think the Tories will use the spending review and austerity measures to bring it down. They don't really seem to care about the environment and they certainly aren't going to care about upsetting a small handful of bikers.
I'd be interested to hear others' views on this. In the meantime Jason is checking with the workshop how much needs to be done to prepare the bikes for sale. The panels are on order and the technicians will be back on Saturday so normal service will resume next week. The firmware needs to be upgraded. There's also a question about whether or not any work needs to be done to the wiring loom. If I'm lucky I might be able to pick mine up next weekend.
I don't know about everyone else but I like to get on with things once I've made a decision. The planets only stay aligned for so long. I still have an opportunity to buy a Zero but things might change by March. Some unforeseen expense will have cropped up or whatever. I might change my mind and just keep the VFR as it's such a great bike and petrol keeps coming down in price so why not make the most of it? Nope, it's now or never for me. Or now or some other time when batteries get cheap, Zero do fairings, integrated quick charging that isn't half baked, the big boys enter the market, etc, etc.
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I think that's a really good stand-point. I've mostly been speaking to Alex at Streetbike but have had some dealings with Jason too. Both have been more than excellent. I have been signing their praises to everyone I've spoken to. I certainly wasn't criticising them for not nudging - just wondered if they might for you guys.
I'm looking forward to using the bike for a couple of days to see how I get on with it going to work. I'd just rather not do it whilst bits of tree are taking flying lessons.....
To all of you guys, good luck.
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Thanks Steve. The SR is the bike I really want but I think I'll be happy with a DS. It's all I can afford really, so that's just the way it is.
Do please keep us updated with how you get on with your test rides. I love hearing about how people are getting on with their bikes, warts and all!
Any questions, just start a topic. You're in good hands with Streetbike and this forum. There's something about electric motorcycles that seems to attract decent people to this community.
Don't listen to me though, I'm just bonkers! [emoji6]
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Its not strictly true that all of the DSP's were ordered by people who were willing to purchase without the subsidy. I personally hadn't agreed figures for finance,and Streetbike were still due to come back to me with the PCP figures,at the point I had asked about the subsidy.
Streetbike have been exceptional though,and have been true to their word,at a time that must be very frustrating to them.
I emailed Jason today,and asked if he would hold off registering mine till March,unless there was some other way round the situation,which he was happy to do.
I had asked if there was any movement on price to get them shifted,but they're already heavily discounted,and it sounds like de-policing them has eaten into their margin,more than expected,so understandable.
In his opinion,he's not expecting the discount to be £1500 on the DSP's he thinks more like £1000 inline with VAT.
So that's where I'm at,good luck my fellow DSPers
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Fair play TP, I stand corrected.
I keep forgetting about VAT. It would be great if they just knock the VAT off, or subsidise the equivalent.
It's good that Streetbike are replacing the panels to get rid of the redundant switches. I don't know if other dealers are doing the same. It's an extra cost in parts and labour for them.
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You see, I'd have wanted the extra switchgear to stay. Has proved very handy on my Police Pan 😉
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LOL. Aside from re-policing the bikes, I guess those switches could come in handy for running accessories. A disco ball perhaps? [emoji6]
Some anti-pedestrian measures would be handy on my commute. A fog horn, strobe light and tazer combination ought to get their attention...
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We were chuckling at work about the idea of an iPod running into a pa horn, with different motorbike sounds on
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Which panels are getting replaced, I'd be interested in a new tank cover, but I'm sure shipping to Canada would negate any savings, I'd like to get the lower fairing from a 2014 as well
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I think it's the left hand side tank panel. If you look back at the photos in this topic you'll see the extra switches.
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I'm aiming to pick my bike up a week tomorrow, Saturday 9th. The tank panels haven't arrived yet, so I might get to keep the extra switches.
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Extra switches are always good
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I'm loving the idea of an iPod running into a pa horn, with different motorbike sounds on,
and some anti-pedestrian measures, fog horn, strobe light and tazer combination..........hilarious,you guys kill me.
Post some pictures when you get it mostlybonkers :-)
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I'll be opening a bottle of bubbly when I get it mate! It's been a long time coming. I'll post some pics too. [emoji4]
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Well Saturday 9th is off as a pick-up date. The documents have to be sent to the DVLA in the post and there's a ten day turnaround for that. Usually bikes can be registered on the computer system the same day but apparently you have to wait six months to be able to start using that. I can't do the following weekend so I'm pencilling in 20th Jan and will have to take a day off work. Having had to put the date back, it occurred to me that 20th Jan is less than six weeks from the beginning of March and (hopefully) some kind of subsidy. Dammit!
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Lol. That sucks. Hoping to have a 2016 DSR for this weekend as they've sold the previous demonstrator.
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Sucks indeed! Did you order your DSR before Christmas then? I heard they had sold the 2015 SR demonstrator. That didn't stick around for long! They'll be doing well to get a DSR shipped and registered by this weekend unless the whole process started weeks ago(?)
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I haven't ordered anything yet. Still testing. Yes, the old SR wasn't supposed to be for sale til later this week but it sold over Xmas.
They've already got the new bike and are planning to run it on trade plates so that whoever ends up buying it is owner #1 and can get the subsidy.
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Ahh, I see! That all makes sense now. All being well you'll have a fun weekend ahead, or however long you've got the bike for. Good plan on keeping it eligible for the subsidy too! I really hope there is some news on that soon for everyone's sake!
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On that subject,I've had something back from my Mp's office today
Dear Mr Wilkinson,
Thank you for this further information.
I have been looking into this and cannot find any updated information from the department. I think the best thing to do, therefore, is for Stephen to write direct to the minister and ask. Would you be happy for him to do so?
Best wishes,
Emma
Emma Salisbury
Senior Parliamentary Assistant
Office of Stephen Phillips QC MP
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I hope you said yes?!
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Well, I have the DSR this weekend. This morning's ride in was f-squared cold but the bike was great. Eco mode was perfect for the icy roads, though the 70mph limit was irritating on the dual carriageway section. Got to work (37 miles) with 45% battery left. Would have liked the see more but, considering the temperature, I'm fairly happy. Nice bike. May just prefer it to the SR........
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Thanks for the update Steve. What portion of your ride is at high speeds? If most of it is on dual carriageway or fast A roads, then I'd say you've done pretty well considering it was probably only 2-3C this morning.
I test rode a 2012 DS about 18 months ago and rather liked it. It'll be interesting to see which one you finally decide on. Are considering a normal DS or S too? The DSR in Eco mode should be roughly equivalent to a DS in Sport mode, I've been told. I'd definitely go for the SR or DSR if you can afford it though! :)
I'm looking forward to hearing more of your progress over the weekend.
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To be honest I haven't noticed any difference in my battery usage with low temperatures.
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Same goes for me.
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I feel like I'm hijacking this thread a bit. Should I start a new one somewhere? I don't want to upset you guys.
Just on the temp vs range thing - that's obviously really good for owners. For the purposes of my test, it's not so great. I was hoping that the range was more of an issue because of the temperatures at the moment. I'm not a fair weather rider but I wouldn't normally ride on icy roads, so was hoping to see an increased range under the conditions in which I'd normally ride. Seems that wouldn't be the case :-\
My ride involves about 8-10 miles of dual carriageway. The rest is A and B roads, quite a bit of which you can comfortably do 70 on. So potentially, 20 miles of my journey are at that sort of pace. The total journey is 35 miles each way.
When I rode in yesterday (when it was icy) I left it in Eco mode and had 45% battery remaining when I got to work.
Last night, in Custom mode with everything set to max, I had 33-35% when I got home. I had ridden it quite hard.
This morning, in Custom mode with the Closed Throttle Regen set to 0 (something I've read from owners as achieving the best efficiency) I had 37% battery remaining when I arrived at work. I had taken it fairly easy but not too ginger.
This evening I may pop it in Sport mode to see what the difference is. And tomorrow I may take a different route which cuts out all the dual carriageway.
As things stand, it's very very touch and go as to whether it's the right move. I really need to use less than half battery getting in to work, without having to ride like a complete pansy in case, for example, I get a call from home and have to make tracks back before it's had any real charge time. Makes me think that maybe an SR (cos it has *slightly* more range) with a power tank are the way to go. But that's an extra £2100 so would mean I'd have to try to get a 2015 model for the lower price. There's just no way I can justify £15,500 on this bike.
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Quick update - did the alternative route (far less dual carriageway) and had 50% left when I got home. Pretty windy and torrential rain. Will try again in the morning on Eco mode.
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I think the story of your DSR testing is worthy of its own topic Steve. Partly because it would give others an opportunity to follow it when perhaps they might miss it here. I wouldn't worry about it though, just a tip for another time perhaps. I'm sure most people will read it anyway. [emoji4]
Your findings are very interesting. My feeling is this:
If you think you prefer the riding style of the DSR to the SR, then go for the DSR. I wouldn't worry about the range as long as you can guarantee a charge at work. My reasoning for that is from my experience of commuting to work one way or another for approximately 15 years or so. I have never got to work and had to turn around and go straight back home due to any kind of emergency. Maybe I've been lucky. There have been plenty of times I've had to go home early, leave at lunchtime or whatever. For whatever reason, if I've been able to get to work on any day, I've always spent at least half a day there. It certainly isn't worth going in for any less than that with the distance of your commute.
If the DSR has a nominal capacity of around 12kWh, then the absolute worst case is that you use 75% of a full charge one-way. Let's say you were hammering it into a headwind. That's 9kWh, with 3 remaining. To get home, you need a minimum of a 3kWh of charging to get you back to 50%. That's two and a half hours using the on-board charger. Half a day will give you about 4kWh and brings your state of charge close to 60%. If you start work at 9:30, you need to be there until 12pm, worst case.
Your experience might be different, but it's worth trying to remember if you've ever gone home without spending at least that kind of time at work.
Finally, for the kind of emergency that makes you leave immediately and in a hurry, you probably won't want to spend the time putting your gear on. I've no doubt someone would give you their car keys or drive you home.
Does that help or do you think it would still bother you? We're onto the old chestnut of range anxiety again! [emoji6]
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I've started a thread here -->>>> http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5399.0 (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5399.0)
Yes, definitely range anxiety lol
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So, after hijacking the thread, are you still on for 20th for your collection Bonkers?
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I suspect I'll be collecting around the 23rd - 24th myself. ;D
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I'm jealous
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Still on for 20th. Insurance sorted. Day off from work booked. The bike has been ready for some time now, just awaiting the DVLA. I might get an update on that tomorrow.
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Fantastic news! If you want a brew whilst you're up this way, let me know
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Looks like I'm on for the 24th myself... Oh... Yea!
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Thanks for the offer Steve and I'd take you up on it if I had more time. I can't leave home until my son gets picked up by our childminder at 9 and I'm relying on a lift from Streetbike to get me at least two thirds of the way home. I'd better keep my first ride down to no more than 50 miles. It would be a classic if I didn't make it home!
I'm glad you've got a firm date now Justin. The last few weeks have dragged by haven't they?
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I was wondering how you were going to get all that way. I guess I'm lucky being only about 5 miles away from them.
Fair play to them for helping you out too. I've got to say, they have done nothing but impress me with all this.
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You are lucky being so close Steve. You could get involved with some of their ride-outs if you wish. I have nothing but good things to say about Streetbike too. I know I do tend to mention them a lot, but it's a case of credit where it's due.
Gary, the proprietor, is a top man and he employs great people who are loyal to him. It's a rare and precious phenomenon and great to see. I find it quite humbling in some ways! If I had a boss even half the man I'd feel privileged.
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So, by my reckoning, two of you should have picked your bikes up by now?
Also, has anyone heard any more about the subsidy?
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Yeah, got my SR yesterday. Nothing about the Subsidy, still estimating April/March.
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Happy with the new toy?
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Very happy with mine Steve. I'm sure Justin is ecstatic about his new steed too.
I'm enjoying the DS more than I imagined I would. Check out my other posts. I'm now certain I prefer the DS over the S and I haven't taken it off-road yet. DSR versus SR must be a tough call.
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Excellent news. Have read your other posts and now have distinctly green eyes lol
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The only thing I'm not ecstatic about is this weather. ( I should'nt grumble, as this rain is the same storm that dumped a metric shit ton of snow on the US east coast, which is far worse) Still I want some warm dry weather so I can really open up my new toy.
I tried to launch it off the lights yesterday, but the rear wheel broke free momentarily on the greasy road surface... Which is a good sign none the less. ;D
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Ha ha ha. Definitely a good sign. Can't see my old Pan doing that, even with a well-used back tyre
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I'm glad it was just a momentary spin Justin. That thing will dump you like a golddigger discovering you haven't come into your inheritance, if you let it!
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Rofl
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I'm glad it was just a momentary spin Justin. That thing will dump you like a golddigger discovering you haven't come into your inheritance, if you let it!
Yeah, suspension and handling are really good, however if you give it a handful at the wrong time it *will* misbehave itself.
I like that.
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Blahahahaa, I like a fiery woman too at times. [emoji6]
I nearly lost it on a mini roundabout this morning by the way. The front wheel started slipping and I had to put a foot down. I really don't do well with wet roads!
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Yikes!
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Congrats !!!! Looks like you guys are having fun,awesome,I'm envious :-)
Bleeding government !!!!! And just to rub it in,they announced this week about another 40 million for green cars,you have to chuckle
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/40-million-to-drive-green-car-revolution-across-uk-cities (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/40-million-to-drive-green-car-revolution-across-uk-cities)
Keep the photo's and stories coming in boys,helps those of us that can only imagine,ride safe :-)
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Well here it is Guys from the House of Commons ,remind me not to vote again,couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery !!!!!!
Rant over lol
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Can't actually read those but I take it it's saying there is no subsidy coming?
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Sorry pics didn't upload like i thought,basically more or less the same response I posted on here from OLEv months ago !!!!!!!!
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No dont worry Steve its still coming,they just haven't said when....
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I'm not worried - I'm a traitor. Bought an MT-09 last night lol
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Tried again with the pics
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And again
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Not likely to be anytime soon then. Very very disappointing for those waiting
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Oh boo Steve! [emoji6] Only joking. I was eyeing up the MT-09 not so long ago. They've been selling like hot cakes, which is never a bad thing. I hope you enjoy it and perhaps you'll make the leap next time around.
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Back to that subsidy and thanks for the update Gareth, which I'm afraid is just another fob-off.
Does anyone know a newspaper editor?
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I wish I did mostlybonkers !!!!!!........ the crap of it is ,is that I had already forwarded OLEV's line to the MP's assistant, and asked for any new upto date information,all I got back was basically what I sent her over a month ago !!!!!!
What a bunch of clowns !!!!!
Anyway what's the latest on your DSP ? Have they got you sorted yet ?
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That's frustrating. It's just another example of power corrupting. They don't care and they aren't under any pressure to deliver. Shame on them!
I meant to call Streetbike today but didn't get round to it. I hear they're swamped with Suzuki and Yamaha recalls, so I'm keeping my expectations low. It would be nice to have the DSP back soon though. There was a long queue at the petrol station tonight...
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Wow I've got alarm bells ringing ,with everything I'm reading on here, Zero need to sort these chargers......
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DSP Not Charging - First Major Failure
Thought I'd chip in with my experience; looks like my 2015 has suffered the dreaded charger failure, not just once, but twice. The replacement charger didn't even manage a single cycle before blowing again.
Streetbike have been their usual fantastic selves, and I'm starting to feel sorry for Andy the van driver having to take a scenic tour of suffolk this often. You'd hope that Zero would at least ensure the replacement parts are defect free, but it seems that might not be the case.
Does the 2016 suffer from this?
http://www.electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5463.msg39666#msg39666
This post bothered me too.
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This might bother you more on the reliability side of things,this was someone I was talking to on the Zero owners Facebook page,check his last comment its a bit of a eye opener........
https://m.facebook.com/groups/111611975574686?view=permalink&id=955872781148597&comment_id=957160574353151&_rdr#957160574353151
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This might bother you more on the reliability side of things,this was someone I was talking to on the Zero owners Facebook page,check his last comment its a bit of a eye opener........
https://m.facebook.com/groups/111611975574686?view=permalink&id=955872781148597&comment_id=957160574353151&_rdr#957160574353151
I don't do Facebook and they want me to log in, so I didn't see the comment. Can you post what it was? Thank you. :)
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This might bother you more on the reliability side of things,this was someone I was talking to on the Zero owners Facebook page,check his last comment its a bit of a eye opener........
https://m.facebook.com/groups/111611975574686?view=permalink&id=955872781148597&comment_id=957160574353151&_rdr#957160574353151
I don't do Facebook and they want me to log in, so I didn't see the comment. Can you post what it was? Thank you. :)
It's listing a litany of failures on the owner's 2012 model.
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This is the comment on Facebook I was on about:
Wesley Oke
I've said (reluctantly) that I'd pay to upgrade my 2012 S to a 2014 because it has been laughably unreliable. Streetbike told me they expect the incentives in April, although one never knows with government.
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Gareth Wilkinson
Your reliability issue has got alarm bells ringing wes,how unreliable are we talking ?
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Wesley Oke
They're now replacing the second motor. I've also had two replacement BMS boards and a new MBB board. The bearings just went on my frame and have to be replaced. This was in 1.5 years; the bike has less than 5000 miles. Hoping the 2014 will be better!
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This is the comment on Facebook I was on about:
Wesley Oke
I've said (reluctantly) that I'd pay to upgrade my 2012 S to a 2014 because it has been laughably unreliable. Streetbike told me they expect the incentives in April, although one never knows with government.
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Gareth Wilkinson
Your reliability issue has got alarm bells ringing wes,how unreliable are we talking ?
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Wesley Oke
They're now replacing the second motor. I've also had two replacement BMS boards and a new MBB board. The bearings just went on my frame and have to be replaced. This was in 1.5 years; the bike has less than 5000 miles. Hoping the 2014 will be better!
The 2012 S that I gave my daughter when I bought my 2014 S is still working well for her. It did need its throttle assembly replaced at 300 miles, though. She keeps it plugged in all of the time, as did I when I owned it. It has about 10K miles on it so far. My 2014 S has been flawless once the power tank was replaced by Zero, shortly after I bought the bike. So far nothing that I have bought from Zero has cause me any grief - which is something that I can't say about the BMW motorcycles that I have been buying ever since 1985. ::)
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That's funny, I just posted on Facebook in response and I was half expecting Richard to pipe in.
I think the big difference is climate. It's nice to hear good news though.
I hope Wesley joins us, as I feel he'll get some good support from the community here. I don't think Facebook is great for that.
My DSP is back from Streetbike and I'm looking forward to riding it again. It's half term so children are putting a hold on that for the next few days.
As for the subsidy, we're in similar territory as before Christmas now. If they don't do something very soon it might be another six months to dovetail with new registrations.
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http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5047.75 (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5047.75)
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Got this from Streetbike today,after emailing them thanking them for holding out till now,and that I realized it was now decision time.............OUTSTANDING,I CAN'T PRAISE STREETBIKE ENOUGH
Hi Gareth,
Yes as usual when it involves getting cash out of the government we get lots of promises and little in the way of substance.
We are happy to hold on to the bike until this is resolved either by the grant becoming available or by a shock U-turn on a previously promised grant.
The last official statement was this
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-revs-up-motorcycle-market (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-revs-up-motorcycle-market)
Now the minister of state for energy Matt Hancock has moved on to new position into a cabinet post.
The Minister for transport Baroness Kramer seems to have retired to the house of lords.
So it’s now up to whoever replaced them to make a decision and sign the whole thing off.
This may be the sticking point as we do not currently have a Minster of state for energy and have not had since Matt Hancock left the office.
So it is probably now up to the Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change Amber Rudd to actually do something.
As you can tell I am personally a bit hacked off with the situation the government have left us both in. It wouldn’t be so bad if they let you apply for the grant retrospectively and let us get you onto the bike now.
As it is if you take the bike now and they announce the grant a week later you would be out of pocket.
So as it is now we have a couple of options
Fund the bike and deliver it without the grant.
Wait for the grant and fund it then and deliver the bike.
If you wanted to cancel the deal due to the delay in the grant I would refund your deposit.
However it turns out we will be happy to accommodate whatever you decide to do.
Kind regards
Charlie Kehoe
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Got this from Streetbike today,after emailing them thanking them for holding out till now,and that I realized it was now decision time.............OUTSTANDING,I CAN'T PRAISE STREETBIKE ENOUGH
I couldn't agree with you more about Streetbike Gareth. They earnt a lot of goodwill with me. It helps when there are problems. In fact I probably wouldn't have bothered to go and find my broken belt for anyone else. Charlie K is a genuinely good guy. I've been impressed by him a few times.
It's even more difficult to predict what will happen now than it was back in January. There have been two significant opportunities to announce the subsidy since. Both missed. An announcement might be followed by a wait for implementation in September.
If I was in your shoes I'd suck it up and go for it. You'll be able to make the most of the summer. If your latest email is anything to go by I doubt anything will happen soon. It's all very awkward. We can speculate all we like.
What hasn't changed in the last six months is the fact that it's a great bike at a good price with all the warranties.
Hopefully you've got some more information from my posts now too. You know what to expect. I'm happy to say that I love my DSP despite the teething troubles. It really is something special. Get yours before someone else pitches up and pays cash. Just my tuppence worth. :)
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Just looked at the last comment on this thread,what a difference 10 months makes lol.I see the long awaited subsidy is now in, so make the most of it guys, take it from someone that missed out.
Well I took ' Mostly's ' advice and bit the bullet, and got my DSP last May.Since sold it several months ago after having several near misses with wildlife ( Deer,badgers etc ) I believe down to a combination of the time of day I rode ( late at night on the way home from work) and the quietness .
I made a decision,that someone was trying to tell me something,and got rid.
In hignsight, I probably acted a tad hastily, but that said ,I do think the quietness is an issue and these things should be fitted with some noise generating device ( jet sound whistle )
I have since found things on the market,whistles that country folk fit to their landrovers to scare deer off etc.
Anyway,if anyone's considering trading in their DSP with Streetbike for the latest model, spare me a thought , they might give you a extra discount and offset it on their price of the traded in DSP.They know I'm after one.
I hold my hands up, I made a mistake 🏍
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I'm sorry to hear that Testpilot. I've hit a fox on mine, but that was the only incident. Most of my riding is on main roads that wildlife keep away from.
I'm glad you posted though, I've been wondering what happened and how you were getting on. Mystery solved!
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Cheers Mostly, good to hear from you again, how you getting on with the DSP ? Is it still big smiles
Got my name down for the pre order on a TORK T6X, we'll see how that pans out 😀🏍
http://torkmotorcycles.com/ (http://torkmotorcycles.com/)
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No probs. I replied to your other post about Tork. I'd leave it if I were you. If budget out the biggest factor, I'd spend it on a second hand ICE bike. Maybe a second hand Zero, but an ICE will be better and more fun for a couple of grand.