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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: MostlyBonkers on November 13, 2015, 02:28:25 PM
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A little video I took on Sunday at Streetbike:
https://youtu.be/q0vM6ATNT7c
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The Anderson connector on the 2013 (that bike) is harder to reach than 14 onward, when Zero responded by swapping the OBD-II port location with the Anderson location.
Anyway, with practice, I can now do this in well under a minute.
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Useful to know, thanks Brian! [emoji4]
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I love the "that's Americans for you" comment about the charge light indication... 8)
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Does anyone know the difference between the Elcon rates and Zero's quick charger? It looked like your friend didn't trip a breaker plugging them in so that was good I only have the one outlet in my garage so I'd have to run a cord not the best set up for me. And yes I think Zero said in their live cast that they would be making the IPM motors available for sale by themselves but not for a while though. I really think they should just put that motor in all of their future bikes under the idea better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
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Two questions; what's the little wire he's fiddling around with around the first minute mark and shouldn't you be able to charge with the Elcon without the onboard?
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NEW2elec, the Elcon is a 2.5kW charger and the Zero chargers are 1.3kW.
The charging rate is the same for both at 110V (1.3kW) so you don't blow a fuse. Using 220V outlets makes a bit difference.
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Two questions; what's the little wire he's fiddling around with around the first minute mark and shouldn't you be able to charge with the Elcon without the onboard?
1) It's an electrical interlock signal back to the battery manager; goes through the Anderson connector aux positions. [EDIT: Burton's diagram illustrates where this goes in his diagram on grids 2J/3J]
2) You could, but you'd get less power into the battery (2.5kW vs ~3.9kW). An integrated input harness just splits power from a J17/NEMA/etc plug into both the onboard and offboard charger. [EDIT: I was wrong about this; clarified by Burton below. I am going to admit this must have been either a misinterpretation of behavior while using my Elcon harness or I stumbled into getting the contactor to close and then had disconnected it dynamically and it was working or I thought it was working. In short, you can't do this without modifications.]
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Thanks for clearing that up, since it is said in the clip that the Elcon won't work without the on-board.
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Justin did say that the Elcon won't work without the on-board charger powered on first. Something to do with the controller getting power from the on-board circuit. Sorry to differ here Brian. Have we missed something?
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Bonkers on a 2013 bike you need a 100k Resistor between B+ and the white black stripe wire at 3J on my wire diagram (click link in signature to find this)
If there is residual voltage in the controller this will close the contractor and put it into charging mode. If there isn't residual voltage then power the bike on for a second, then turn it off, and switch the resistor circuit on and listen for the contractor. Be sure to make this a switching circuit as you don't want it on all the time.
For the 2014+ bikes you have to key the bike on, turn the resistor circuit on and start charging then turn the bike off.
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Sounds like Burton is the one with the knowledge! I've gotten it to work, will chalk it up to accidentally stumbling on how to initiate it.
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That is the joy of participating in this forum and a great demonstration of how we all get to learn something new. Thanks Brian & Burton. [emoji4]
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Oh and Ben of course! [emoji4]
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[emoji1]. Cheers! Good to be s part of such a supportive community.
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For the 2014+ bikes you have to key the bike on, turn the resistor circuit on and start charging then turn the bike off.
Good to see that you don't need to mod it any more, just start it up and wait for the clicketyclick. It is sometimes hard to track al those minor differences for each year.
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Bonkers on a 2013 bike you need a 100k Resistor between B+ and the white black stripe wire at 3J on my wire diagram (click link in signature to find this)
If there is residual voltage in the controller this will close the contactor and put it into charging mode. If there isn't residual voltage then power the bike on for a second, then turn it off, and switch the resistor circuit on and listen for the contactor. Be sure to make this a switching circuit as you don't want it on all the time.
For the 2014+ bikes you have to key the bike on, turn the resistor circuit on and start charging then turn the bike off.
Come to think of it, for the 2013, if you install say a Super Charger to charge through the controller, does that mean tapping onto B+ and B-, then, rather than the M contacts? In which case I can see how it would work with the contactors and not depend on regen.
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Good god I hate the sound of my voice... :-X
Normally I can get the Anderson in a bit quicker, but you know performance pressures... ;)
Good to know its in a bit better a location on the later bikes all the same.
I don't have to tell everyone here that a charger like the Elcon really transforms the bike, either when your out and about, or if you suddenly need the bike when at home, and you need to get the charge up on the bike in short order...
Right now, I'm putting money together to get the Diginow supercharger, as I'm totally onboard with the need for fast charging tech.
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That's refreshing Justin, most people seem to love the sound of their own voice! We are often our own harshest critics. I thought you came across really well. [emoji4]
Won't you be able to use your cables with the Diginow by the way?
Hopefully this topic will help you sell your Elcon when the time comes. It'll be useful with your new bike until you get the Diginow at least.
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Sounds like Burton is the one with the knowledge! I've gotten it to work, will chalk it up to accidentally stumbling on how to initiate it.
Er, since this topic came up, I decided to retest it and my observations were not invalid:
I can repeatably get the Elcon to start charging the bike without ever plugging in the onboard charger. Now, this may be specific to the model year (2013) or having the pilot signal wire connected through the Anderson connector, but this works for me.
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Cheers for that info Brian. ;D
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A quick bump to this topic because I want to double check something. With the installation of my aux charger drawing nearer I'm feeling a bit lost in al the information on the forum.
I'm dealing with a 2015 DS and are having a bit of trouble with visualizing where the 100k resistor goes exactly. The fact that my bike is in the shop also doesn't help since I can't test things for myself.
Anyway to trick the bike to allow fast charging you need to put in contact to let the contactors engage but after that you need the 100k resistor to fool the canbus and keep them engaged right? So is it just a matter of wiring the resistor to the two connectors I circled in Burtons' diagram?
(http://i.imgur.com/vkp0G4F.png)
Some clarification would be really appreciated.