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General Category => Electric Motorcycle News => Topic started by: MostlyBonkers on January 08, 2017, 10:59:27 PM
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I searched for 'Vigo' across the whole forum and got nothing, so this might be breaking news:
http://eco-motorcycles.co.uk/vigo
400 mile range, 120 hp, £6,000.
It must be a hoax. Especially for the price! Someone's idea of a joke. I love the idea though and someone has gone to some effort to create the website.
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I searched for 'Vigo' across the whole forum and got nothing, so this might be breaking news:
http://eco-motorcycles.co.uk/vigo (http://eco-motorcycles.co.uk/vigo)
400 mile range, 120 hp, £6,000.
It must be a hoax. Especially for the price! Someone's idea of a joke. I love the idea though and someone has gone to some effort to create the website.
I agree. That is fantasy land stuff. More like a $40,000 vehicle. My guess is that they are trolling for investors and hope to hook a big fish with the admittedly nice computer-generated graphics. I see that you can sign up for test rides - just don't hold your breath and certainly don't put down a deposit. ::)
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I searched for 'Vigo' across the whole forum and got nothing, so this might be breaking news:
http://eco-motorcycles.co.uk/vigo (http://eco-motorcycles.co.uk/vigo)
400 mile range, 120 hp, £6,000.
It must be a hoax. Especially for the price! Someone's idea of a joke. I love the idea though and someone has gone to some effort to create the website.
I agree. That is fantasy land stuff. More like a $40,000 vehicle. My guess is that they are trolling for investors and hope to hook a big fish with the admittedly nice computer-generated graphics. I see that you can sign up for test rides - just don't hold your breath and certainly don't put down a deposit. ::)
They have video testimonials on their site - all Zero owners!
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http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M6172cdca8b4b50461c0e078e99ed7f8eo0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=255&h=161 (http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M6172cdca8b4b50461c0e078e99ed7f8eo0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=255&h=161)
LOL
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They appear to have some office in Shoreditch and advertise Zeros for sale:
http://eco-motorcycles.co.uk/stores (http://eco-motorcycles.co.uk/stores)
If they aren't a Zero dealership, they're going to have some problems with copyright for those videos, and if they are, they're probably going to have a different kind of legal notice given...
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Reading the site suggests that English is not their first language. Some kind of Chinese or Russian or Nigerian scam?
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eco-motorcycles.com
redirects to:
eco-motorcycles.co.uk
Registered by Timothy Sergeev
https://angel.co/timothy-sergeev (https://angel.co/timothy-sergeev)
Executive at Vigo Motorcycles. Bachelor degree in IT. Skills at: Software, Hardware and Applications development; International Trading; Motorcycles, etc.
SAINT PETERSBURG STATE UNIVERSITY · 2009 Master's
HIGHER SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS · 2008
UNIVERSITY COLLEGE LONDON · 2004
timofeybm@gmail.com
Website says "I am afraid but our company has suspended Zero motorcycle dealership."
I didn't completely audit all versions WAYBACK the Zero dealer website to determine if this was a fallen Zero dealer or not, but it looks unlikely.
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Website says "I am afraid but our company has suspended Zero motorcycle dealership."
I take it he didn't major in English at college. ::)
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I've also found this:
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10544565
Mr Sergeev has literally just setup this company. It was incorporated on 3rd Jan 2017 with assets of £1,000.
The business address can't be more than a PO Box. I doubt there is even an office in that building.
I looked at his LinkedIn profile and Companies House serves up a home address for his other company, Langwiser Ltd. Ironically, it's some kind of language learning website but the URL can no longer be resolved. Anyhow, if you want a hoot, check out his apparent home address on Google Maps:
https://goo.gl/maps/UpM1CZ5BQAA2
It's somewhere up near Aberdeen in Scotland - a long way from London.
I found out about this company/website from my father-in-law. It randomly turned up in his Facebook feed and he sent me the link in Messenger. I wonder if it was an advert or just a co-incidence. He's not into Motorcycles at all and he'd say himself that he's too old for it now. Not a very well targeted marketing effort...
If the guy has genuine ambitions, I don't think he's got off to a good start with it all. He's put some effort in though; creating a company and that website. If the rendering of that illusive bike is original, then that would have taken some time too. For what purpose? Is that all it takes to try and raise some venture capital? Surely investors aren't that stupid?
I guess this whole thing is a waste of time, but I hope you've found it of interest. There's got to be a story there somewhere!
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Great detective work!
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Thanks! Between us, we could set up our own agency: Zero PI. ;-)
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- pure fantasy specs
- no photographs of an actual machine
- badly-done computer rendering
- pleas for investment
Bullshit, stay away.
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MotoFire asked... and has a reply from Timothy.
http://www.motofire.com/2017/01/news/is-the-400-mile-range-vigo-electric-motorcycle-too-good-to-be-true/ (http://www.motofire.com/2017/01/news/is-the-400-mile-range-vigo-electric-motorcycle-too-good-to-be-true/)
You can read the whole article... but I clipped the Reply below.
“The main reason we’ve published only certain, limited information about the motorcycle because the only our advantage against competitors is a time. Not only consumers is watching us, but competitors as well. Even though we’re experiencing some skepticism among some people we simply can’t reveal all information until time comes. If some of our competitor knows our technology, with a right investment, it doesn’t take long to copy the product and issue something similar.
Our prototype is still in development. We’ve been working a bit more than a year on driving components and further 4 months for a design only. But because the only difference between good vehicle and an awesome one is its software. We have to spend between 5-9 months to finish the prototype and reveal it to our supporters and investors.
The way we’ve achieved our characteristics because we’ve chosen a different approach (not inventive one) but rather exploring – to find an early stage companies who works on potential projects and collaborate with them. But because we have a very international team initially we were looking globally, we’ve currently combined technological achievements of 5 different countries. I think this is what differs us from our competitors.
Our price is low because in order to gain investments, open a production and break even we’ve decided to lower marginal profit within first years to minimum. On top of that our partner is going to produce batteries, so we don’t have to spend a penny to that. Furthermore we’re also have to cut expensive components as brakes, suspension, tires (good one, but with a lower price range).
So our aim right know is to gain enough interest among future costumers. Gain enough supporters to back up our Kickstarter complain to help us to finish the prototype. This is the main reason we went public so early. Assuming that you work for motorcycle magazine we have an offer to you. If you tell your readers about our project – you’ll be among the first to review our prototype as soon as it’s ready of course.
If you have any more questions, please, do not hesitate to ask them.
Best Regards, Timothy
Executive at Vigo Motorcyclesâ€
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They ( He? ) also have a youtube video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m36GIFcOE2I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m36GIFcOE2I)
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They ( He? ) also have a youtube video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m36GIFcOE2I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m36GIFcOE2I)
And their video ends in: "invest in the future (that would be them) today". Like I said before, trolling for dollars (or in this case, Pounds). Good luck ever seeing that money again, or that vehicle in the future. ::)
However, they do seem to be able to spread their message. I saw a link to their website on the Royal Enfield forum. :o
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However, they do seem to be able to spread their message. I saw a link to their website on the Royal Enfield forum. :o
It also got a mention during my local bike club's committee meeting. They've had a very effective marketing campaign on Facebook. Somebody else from the club posted it on our Facebook group too. People are believing this stuff even though it's too good to be true.
The fact that he's lied about being a Zero dealership on his website really put me off. Also, I'd like to see some evidence of the prototype that was mentioned. Unfortunately I think it's just another person who has seen an opportunity to raise some money and run. Or at least do something fun for a year or two before going bankrupt.
The trouble is that in this day and age it can sometimes feel like anything is possible. I gave it some thought. You can design something on a computer right down to the finest detail. The finished product can be run through computer models to estimate performance, drag etc. Once that's done, the design for each part can be sent to a manufacturer. Many of those parts could be 3D printed in order to make a prototype at relatively little cost compared to just a few years ago. If you haven't had to spend much on design and development (hiring designers from eastern Europe or India), then there's much less to recoup at the point of sale. Negotiating all these deals with suppliers now, in 2017, is going to be very different to ten years ago when Zero was doing it.
Even with all of that optimism, the numbers just don't work. The price, the weight considering the battery pack, the range. I don't see how a bike like that could be made for less than £10k. That would be based on the kind of sales you might expect for the MT-10.
I do love the concept though. If it managed 300 miles of spirited riding on a charge and had DC rapid charging, it could sell like hot cakes at the right price. Maybe all of this will be possible in five years.
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Vigo have got a crowdfunding page now, Timothy is going to some effort........
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vigo-electric-motorcycle-of-the-future#/ (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vigo-electric-motorcycle-of-the-future#/)
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Send your money now. I bet Energica wishes they had this kind of performance at that price and had a system that could recharge a 21kWh battery pack in only 30 minutes and fit it in a motorcycle with a total weight of only 350 pounds: ::)
Range, max 400 miles (640 km)
Battery Capacity 21kWh
Life 250 000 miles (400 000 km)
Charging Time Regular: 7-12 hours
Rapid: 20-30 min
Cost to Recharge Approximately £2.5 (€2.94, $3.12) from household power supply
Motor High efficiency, brushless, magnetless, asynchronous, direct-drive AC motor
Motor Power, max 90kW (120 hp)
Torque, max 350 Nm
Speed, max 180 mph (290 kmh)
Motorcycle Dimensions Length: 85' (215 cm)
Height: 50' (127 cm)
Width: 35' (88 cm)
Seat Height: 33.1' (84 cm)
Motorcycle Weight, total 350 pounds (160 kg)
PRICE (ex. VAT)* Estimated Retail Price: £7,999 (9,799 USD, 9499 EUR)
Special Price: £5,999 (7,499 USD, 7199 EUR)
*Estimated Retail Price might change by the time of mass production.
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He has a great (and thoroughly tested) business model there. Promise the impossible. Take money from idiots - with the "flexible finding"option. Fail to produce a bike. Profit with no risk.
The best he will do might be one prototype which he gets to keep or use in photos for a future Kickstarter campaign.
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Apart from it being total bullshit, that crowd funding page is actually rather good. Good at lifting money from people with no guarantees or assurances, that is. I particularly like the option to pre-order a bike at a fixed price. There are plenty of people out there with that kind of cash doing nothing. They might just take a punt on it. After all, it's fully refundable apparently!
I sent an email to Timothy a few weeks ago asking if he could make himself available for an interview in London. I'm sure we could have come up with plenty of questions between us and I could have met him after work. No response.
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Apart from it being total bullshit, that crowd funding page is actually rather good. Good at lifting money from people with no guarantees or assurances, that is. I particularly like the option to pre-order a bike at a fixed price. There are plenty of people out there with that kind of cash doing nothing. They might just take a punt on it. After all, it's fully refundable apparently!
I sent an email to Timothy a few weeks ago asking if he could make himself available for an interview in London. I'm sure we could have come up with plenty of questions between us and I could have met him after work. No response.
No Response, No Surprise. ::)
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Apart from it being total bullshit, that crowd funding page is actually rather good. Good at lifting money from people with no guarantees or assurances, that is. I particularly like the option to pre-order a bike at a fixed price. There are plenty of people out there with that kind of cash doing nothing. They might just take a punt on it. After all, it's fully refundable apparently!
I sent an email to Timothy a few weeks ago asking if he could make himself available for an interview in London. I'm sure we could have come up with plenty of questions between us and I could have met him after work. No response.
Nice one Mostly , a case of , if it seems too good to be true , it usually is.
Good detective work peeps [emoji12]
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In this day and age of fake news I'm not surprised about this.
I feel sorry for those that will lose their money.
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In this day and age of fake news I'm not surprised about this.
I feel sorry for those that will lose their money.
Besides "fake news", don't forget "alternative facts". ::) I think that is what we are dealing with here. Being a "senior citizen" I seem to be on every scammer's call list. From the ones that tell me they are from the IRS and will have me arrested if I don't send them money, to the automated robo-call that says that my family has asked them to send me a "free" emergency alert system and they just need my authorization and address (along with my credit card number, no doubt) to enroll me in their program. I get rid of all of these calls by asking everyone that calls to leave a message with their name and telephone number and I will get back to them. Guess what? As soon as they hear that they hang up. I get about 10 calls every day and not a one has ever left a message (other than the automated robo-calls, such as the ones produced by my local congressperson) and their callback number.
So all of these "too good to be true" internet news articles just rub me the wrong way - especially when they ask for money with the promise of delivering a product sometime in the future. >:( And, don't forget, they always say your "deposit" is "refundable", but just try to get your money back in the future after the years drag on and nothing has been delivered. ::)
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If anyone's looking for actual product that is ready to ship, Evoke is taking pre-orders on the Urban S.
9.0kwh pack, 200+km of range
130km/h top speed
Level 2 charging, 3 hours to full charge
www.evokemotorcycles.com/preorder.html (http://www.evokemotorcycles.com/preorder.html)
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If anyone's looking for actual product that is ready to ship, Evoke is taking pre-orders on the Urban S.
9.0kwh pack, 200+km of range
130km/h top speed
Level 2 charging, 3 hours to full charge
www.evokemotorcycles.com/preorder.html (http://www.evokemotorcycles.com/preorder.html)
Thank you Nathan. CEO of Evoke for anyone who was wondering. :-)
I was just on your website and noticed a discrepancy between a battery capacity of 6kWh, as mentioned in one of the blog postings, and a claimed 9kWh in the specs. Can you confirm the useable capacity please?
I like the fact that you've called it an Urban and aren't trying to dress it up add anything more than an urban commuter.
The Type 2 plug is a clever choice. I imagine many of your customers won't be able to charge at home from a domestic socket and will rely on public charge points.
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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170220/d66ff5d95b46b090379ebd1f66f5141f.jpg) you can preorder this quantum particle powered hoverbike next week. Never needs recharging, 300 mph. You should send cash while you can. Only €1000 for early adopters. Coincidentally, it's due to drop the same time as that cheap electric bike. (Virtual simulation in cooperation with BMW.)
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Put me on the pre-order list for that new BMW. All I have to do is pry my name off of the 2010 Brammo 10.0, direct-drive, Empulse pre-order list. ;)
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ROFL! Yep, I want one of those too... [emoji23]
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I was about to say put me down for a pre order until I saw the suspension.....everyone knows a hover bike doesn't need suspension.... that's how I knew it was fake. 😉
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