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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: rider7 on January 15, 2017, 12:48:50 PM
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Hi Y'all,
I used the search function here but couldn't get to a thread dedicated to the parking brake questions.
I had my DSR for only a week now.
I carry a nice Velcro strap with me, but I don't want to constantly put pressure on my front brake when parked at a hill. Just out of principle. I know you can do that for 12 years in a row and probably be ok, but I simply don't want to.
Does anybody know where I can buy the optional parking brake that zero has in its manual?
I must have missed it on their website.
Side note of a new owner:
Besides that I feel I live in the year 2030 with this bike from the future. I cannot get over the performance and the sound.
My first and so far only negative observation is, the helmet lock option is really poorly thought out.
Unless someone has a better idea, I'll drill and attach a "regular" helmet lock into my brand new frame as shown on "unofficial zeromanual".
Really, I'll drill into my brand new $17,000 thousand dollar subframe just to get my helmet where it belongs on a bike when parked?
If that's my only complaint, ok.... not too bad. But in the meantime, I feel like an idiot with my helmet nowhere to go in the parking lot.
Note:
My AGV with a really nice, high quality micro ratchet chin strap lock doesn't have double Ds to put the "secure" factory steel lanyard through.
I know, double Ds rip your head off first before giving up, but with me getting on and off the bike about 1,000 times a day, I'll take a helmet possibly flying off my melon over the agony to fiddle D rings all day. It simply gets too old. I've had mostly D rings all my life. I am willing to die for micro ratchet convenience :)
Rider7
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Get the top case frame mount and latch it there--plenty of attachment points.
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Get the top case frame mount and latch it there--plenty of attachment points.
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Scope,
not sure what you are suggesting. Top case frame mount?
I am looking for the parking brake that zero shows in its user manual.
What am I missing here?
Rider7
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Many of us have a 56 Liter Givi Top case. It holds 2 full face helmets. A nice big top case is one of those things I never had till recently. I used to think I didn't like how it looked. But after borrowing a bike with one for a few days, I realized what I've been missing. Able to go grocery shopping, run errands, carry cold weather gear, and of course lock up helmets for you and any girl you might be giving a ride to. If you don't have a top case, get one! The only regret I have is riding sportbikes for 20 years without one.
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@rider7 I think the confusion is because you started adding about the parking brake and then switched to the subject of helmet locks. People are making suggestions about the helmet situation.
Personally, I've never felt a need for a parking brake and wouldn't leave my helmet with the bike. I'd rather wear a rucksack than have a top box. So I'm no help with anything!
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I don't see any parking brake mentioned on Zero's website and I don't recall seeing anything about one in my owner's manual either (I have a 2016 Zero S). Perhaps you'd like something like this?
http://www.aerostich.com/grip-lock.html (http://www.aerostich.com/grip-lock.html)
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OP said he didn't want his front brake constantly engaged.
I distinctly remember this exact topic coming up at some point.
Exactly this, a parking brake being mentioned in the manual.
No one else?
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Found it:
http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5678.msg49893#msg49893 (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=5678.msg49893#msg49893)
The 2017 Owners Manuals are posted now.
One thing I noticed on page 3.21 is a parking brake lever on the left handle controls. It's described conditionally, and I haven't noticed one in photos or one in person look around at the bike. Keep an eye out for this!
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Reminds me of the TMax:
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You CAN'T damage the front brake by leaving it engaged like that. It's a needless worry. MAYBE if you cranked it all the way to the grip, but there isn't any need to apply it THAT hard to keep the bike from rolling.
What Zero SHOULD do, however, is copy the BMW method from their scooters. Putting the sidestand down automatically engages the parking brake on the rear wheel. It's impossible to forget to set it, and it is impossible to ride away with it engaged (especially since neither the BMW Scooter nor the Zero will move until the sidestand is disengaged).
I used to own a TMAX before I got the C650GT, and I know it IS possible to forget to disengage the parking brake before trying to ride away.
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I used to own a TMAX before I got the C650GT, and I know it IS possible to forget to disengage the parking brake before trying to ride away.
Been there done that with the Silverwing. 😕
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zero sell this accessory for $10... I have it and it is working fine.
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_4&products_id=205&zenid=f8ro8uh5q97dl9apkmti9305k7
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There ya go! And far cheaper than the one I posted from Aerostich (though not as secure as a theft-deterrent). However, the Velcro strap the OP mentioned is even cheaper and easier to carry.
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By law - Zero is required to provide a parking brake if there is no method to lock the tire when the engine is off. On all Honda Dual Clutch 6 speed "Automatic" transmissions such as the NM4 NC700 CTX700 Honda installs a mechanical brake. If a bike brakes loose and starts rolling down an incline and someone gets hurt or killed - I assure you Zero (Or You) will pay the price.
When I bought my 2017 DSR I was informed all 17's had the mechanical brake installed - yet mine did not even though its shown in the manual. My calls to Zero concerning this fell on deaf ears. I have included a page showing the mechanical brake they neglected to install.
(http://www.com-pany.com/zero/brake.jpg)
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Please post a link to this law of which you speak...
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And the manual page says, "If your motorcycle is equipped with a parking brake..." Must be a feature they haven't gotten around to yet.
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You go look up the damn law if your so interested!
I'm telling you its not legal to manufacture any vehicle without some type of parking brake - be it a scooter motorcycle ATV car truck or whatever where have you been?
Don't be a jerk about use your head - its unsafe!
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None of the pics on the website that I looked at show the brake and there was no mention of it in any description. Maybe an option for the cop or military models? I'm glad that mine doesn't have that silly thing on it. If it did I would have taken it off straightaway. Seems totally pointless to me. Bought that thingy they sell for $10, but have not used it once! Fairly flat around here though.
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Thanks everybody for your input.
Electric Terry
thanks for your input about the top case.
Call me whatever you want, but top cases make any motorcycle look absolutely ridiculous in my opinion.
I won't be able to overcome that aversion I have.
It is especially the oval shape of the Givi that I cannot get over.
I am actually going to mount Nanuk
https://www.nanuk.com/ (https://www.nanuk.com/)
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Nanuk (https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Nanuk)
cases as side cases. They come in a large varity of depths so you don't drag massive boxes next to your bike.
I want to keep the agility, the sporty looks and just add a little bit of practicality.
Fred
You are right, the confusion came from me mixing two topics.
I cannot take the helmet with me everywhere I go though.
I go to school too and there is no room in the class room to put it.
I have been wearing back packs on all my bikes all my life too, they are a good trunk.
JaimeC
I have seen the grip locks. At first I thought they are awesome, but then not so anymore.
I know it probably won't damage the brake system, but as a technician, I simply don't want to keep a hydraulic system engaged all the time. It is just something that doesn't sit with me right.
And the added benefit of the grip lock as a theft deterrent is not really one.
Take the grinder that you show up with as a thief, cut the brake lever in half, pull it out, leave the rest dangle until you are back in your thief compound.
But I appreciate the tip.
Anyway, it looks like Zero will probably release this brake soon, but as I see the prices on their website, it will be cost prohibitive and I'll go with the velcro strap until others copy the system and offer it for a better price.
I might build one myself from an ATV or something like that.
I liked the http://roadlok.com (http://roadlok.com), which would be theft deterrent and brake, but they don't make one for axial caliper mounts. Only radial.
Thanks for everybody else's input as always.
Rider7
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None of the pics on the website that I looked at show the brake and there was no mention of it in any description. Maybe an option for the cop or military models? I'm glad that mine doesn't have that silly thing on it. If it did I would have taken it off straightaway. Seems totally pointless to me. Bought that thingy they sell for $10, but have not used it once! Fairly flat around here though.
Say10,
I am also concerned that someone might accidentally roll it off the side stand.
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In the one case where I needed the lacking parking brake... I just laid my bike down (gently).
But that grade was not on a legal roadway.
A CVT is in neutral when stopped, Zeros have the motor engaged at all times (granted resistance is very low - (but it won't bump start)) so the finer point of the law might be lost.
Searching for laws I find a lot of them for vehicles with 3 wheels and more. Those I did find - said hydraulics do not count.
That brake in the manual diagram looks targeted to meet the need as a complete bolt on isolated system if anywhere applies it to motorcycles.
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49 CFR 571.135 requires cars, and light trucks and buses to have a parking brake. No mention of motorcycles. No motorcycle (aside from the scooter) that I've ridden in 30 years has had a parking brake.
49 CFR 571.122 - Standard No. 122; “Motorcycle brake systems†requires parking brakes on categories 3-2 and 3-5 (trikes and low power three wheelers), NOT categories 3-1, 3-3, and 3-4 (two wheelers and sidecars).
That's the US law.
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You'll just have to try to use your heads on this one guys!
For the very fact they just issued new laws for Auto-cycles, so will they for automatic motorcycles. Motorcycles never needed e brakes because they were equipped with a compression brakes through the transmission. Now that Honda has the DCT and electric bikes are a reality, E brakes are in order and should (and will) be put on every bike that does not have a standard transmission for braking.
Do you think Honda installed mechanical E brakes on all their DTC bikes; NM4 CTX700 NC700 for fun - they knew it was a liability and didn't wait for an accident to happen. Do you also think the new Zero E brake (which they left off my bike) was engineered for just the fun of it or because it wasn't needed?
Has anyone ever heard of a motorcycle rolling off the stand . . . you guys need to quit attacking users for no reasons at all on this forum - Open your mind before you engage your mouth and start criticizing posts when they concern safety!
(http://www.com-pany.com/zero/brake.jpg)
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Has anyone ever heard of a motorcycle rolling off the stand . . . you guys need to quit attacking users for no reasons at all on this forum - Open your mind before you engage your mouth and start criticizing posts when they concern safety!
You started out saying it was the law, then attacking the poster who asked you to specify it. I cited the federal regs, that's what you asked for after you wouldn't do it yourself. 30 years of riding and I never had a bike roll off the sidestand, and I always park in neutral. Plus, parking in gear is not a safe alternative to a parking brake, that's why the state of Texas requires cars to use their parking brakes. And really, how many people will be killed by a motorcycle falling over? I suggest you take out your anger on whomever misled you into believing your new bike would come with a parking brake.
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On a few occasions, I have had my Zero try to roll away when parked on a hill with no curb to use as block for the wheel. So I carry a strip of Velcro in my tank bag and use that to tie the front brake lever back to hold the front brake on. It seems to work just fine and if your brakes are a little spongy, will help firm to them up too. :)
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Doesn't everybody always park with the front wheel higher than the rear? I always either pull straight into the parking spot, or turn around and back into it, depending on which end is higher. Not only does that keep the weight of the bike going rearward on the kickstand, so it's keeping it extended rather than folding it up, it also means whichever way you have to back up, you're doing it downhill rather than uphill.
Another parking gem: When I'm driving around a parking lot, looking for a space to park (on the bike or in the car), I hate it when I get halfway into a spot only to realize there's a motorcycle parked deep in the spot. So unless I'm sharing the spot, I always park "shallow" in the spot, near the entry end, so other drivers can see from a long way away that the spot is occupied.
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Seems for "safety" our legislature wrote a slew of exceptions...
So it isn't me not using my head when safety is concerned... it is a long standing tradition of legislation.
Here is Wisconsin law (Federal and future may vary) noting the deliberate exceptions for motorcycles:
347.35  Brakes.
(1)  Motor vehicles. No person shall operate any motor vehicle, other than a moped or motorcycle, upon a highway unless such motor vehicle is equipped with brakes adequate to control the movement of and to stop and hold such vehicle and capable of meeting the performance specifications under s. 347.36. There shall be 2 separate means of applying the brakes, each of which means shall be effective to apply the brakes to at least 2 wheels.
(1a) Parking brakes. Every such vehicle and combination of vehicles, except mopeds and Type 1 motorcycles, shall be equipped with parking brakes adequate to hold the vehicle on any grade on which it is operated, under all conditions of loading on a surface free from snow, ice or loose material. The parking brakes shall be capable of being applied by the driver's muscular effort or by spring action or by equivalent means. Their operation may be assisted by the service brakes or other source of power provided that failure of the service brake actuation system or other power assisting mechanism will not prevent the parking brakes from being applied. The parking brakes shall be so designed that when once applied they shall remain applied with the required effectiveness despite exhaustion of any source of energy or leakage of any kind. The same brake drums, brake shoes and lining assemblies, brake shoe anchors and mechanical brake shoe actuation mechanism normally associated with the wheel brake assemblies may be used for both the service brakes and the parking brakes. If the means of applying the parking brakes and the service brakes are connected in any way, they shall be so constructed that failure of any one part shall not leave the vehicle without operative brakes.
(2) Mopeds and motorcycles. No person may operate a moped or motorcycle upon a highway unless the moped or motorcycle is equipped with at least one brake capable of meeting the performance specifications set forth in s. 347.36. The brake may be designed to be operated either by hand or by foot.
And of course here is a Wisconsin Law Zero fails to comply with... unless I wear a scarf.
Wisconsin Statutes 347.486  General requirements.
347.486(3) No person may operate a motorcycle without a functioning muffler.
Otherwise Zero has done a very good job of meeting all requirements. I think we got ABS because of a European requirement.
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I posted my thoughts from a safety standpoint regarding the imminent danger of a roll off, and instead of discussing the subject like adults to hopefully make riders aware of the danger, we get a "Goofy Troll Response" from Jaime in an attempt to de-rail the thread. Regretfully, he lacks the ability to understand the dangers of a 500 lb bike rolling down a busy sidewalk unattended.
Every motor vehicle is required (by law) to provide some means of a parking brake to prevent the bike from rolling when unattended. Motorcycles are only "Except" because of the compression factor when in gear. Its just a matter of time it will be in writing to include electric & automatic transmission bikes since they have no ability to prevent roll off which can be very dangerous.
For the same reason Honda and Can Am was ahead of the game and installed e brakes on all their Dual Clutch 6 speed and "Automatic" transmissions and the very same reason even Zero now shows an e brake in their manual, confirms I'm 100% correct.
I took the time to shoot three other automatic motorcycles which I own and are all equipped with E brakes to clearly show that “All†automatic motorcycles are required to provide some type of mechanical brake - with Zero introduction in 17 that is 4 bikes.
Is any of this starting to make sense now?
Regards - Mike
HONDA NM4
(http://www.com-pany.com/zero/ebrake/b1.JPG)
(http://www.com-pany.com/zero/ebrake/b2.JPG)
HONDA NC700
(http://www.com-pany.com/zero/ebrake/b3.JPG)
(http://www.com-pany.com/zero/ebrake/b4.JPG)
CAM AM F3T
(http://www.com-pany.com/zero/ebrake/b5.jpg)
(http://www.com-pany.com/zero/ebrake/b6.JPG)
ZERO DSR
(http://www.com-pany.com/zero/ebrake/z1.jpg)
(http://www.com-pany.com/zero/brake.jpg)
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I posted my thoughts from a safety standpoint regarding the imminent danger of a roll off, and instead of discussing the subject like adults to hopefully make riders aware of the danger, we get a "Goofy Troll Response" from Jaime in an attempt to de-rail the thread. Regretfully, he lacks the ability to understand the dangers of a 500 lb bike rolling down a busy sidewalk unattended.
Self balancing Honda? Why are you parking on the sidewalk? I truly don't see the danger.
Every motor vehicle is required (by law) to provide some means of a parking brake to prevent the bike from rolling when unattended. Motorcycles are only "Except" because of the compression factor when in gear.
Patently wrong. I already quoted the law. Motorcycles are "Except [sic]" because IT'S THE LAW.
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I posted my thoughts from a safety standpoint regarding the imminent danger of a roll off, and instead of discussing the subject like adults to hopefully make riders aware of the danger, we get a "Goofy Troll Response" from Jaime in an attempt to de-rail the thread. Regretfully, he lacks the ability to understand the dangers of a 500 lb bike rolling down a busy sidewalk unattended.
Self balancing Honda? Why are you parking on the sidewalk? I truly don't see the danger.
Every motor vehicle is required (by law) to provide some means of a parking brake to prevent the bike from rolling when unattended. Motorcycles are only "Except" because of the compression factor when in gear.
Patently wrong. I already quoted the law. Motorcycles are "Except [sic]" because IT'S THE LAW.
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Get Lost! It's way over your head!
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Get Lost! It's way over your head!
Funny, you're the one who keeps saying "It's the law," without backing it up. Yet when I point out what the law actually says (and anyone can look it up) you resort to childishness. The funny thing is, many of us agree that there should be a parking brake, but most of us are better at articulating why we think so. I certainly wouldn't mind the additional security, but I won't resort to making up non-existent laws or Doomsday scenarios in which a little motorcycle goes on a rampage, killing innocents and terrorizing the city (instead of simply falling over).
DoD #2160,6
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Many of us have a 56 Liter Givi Top case. It holds 2 full face helmets. A nice big top case is one of those things I never had till recently. I used to think I didn't like how it looked. But after borrowing a bike with one for a few days, I realized what I've been missing. Able to go grocery shopping, run errands, carry cold weather gear, and of course lock up helmets for you and any girl you might be giving a ride to. If you don't have a top case, get one! The only regret I have is riding sportbikes for 20 years without one.
Hey Terry, you got a pic? Does that case have a backrest? I got 2 E360 side cases that can also be a top case but they dont have a back rest. GIVI made a backrest but not avail in this hemisphere anywehre. I'm wanting a bigger case than the stock top case.
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Hey, Low on Cash. Isn't it strange that you're arguing with clay.leihy (who's obviously wrong) on this thread? And you're arguing with Doug S (obviously wrong) on the Tesla thread? With rider7 on another? With myself and BrianTRice about regen firmware?
Wow. So many of us are completely incompetent and argumentative. We clearly all know so little about so many subjects. If only there was another explanation...
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Hey, Low on Cash. Isn't it strange that you're arguing with clay.leihy (who's obviously wrong) on this thread? And you're arguing with Doug S (obviously wrong) on the Tesla thread? With rider7 on another? With myself and BrianTRice about regen firmware?
Wow. So many of us are completely incompetent and argumentative. We clearly all know so little about so many subjects. If only there was another explanation...
He's a troll. Quit feeding him.
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I was going to give him the benefit of the doubt, but you're probably right.
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For what it's worth, when I asked about the new OEM parking brake option, my dealer said to check back at the end of January for Zero's updated 2017 catalog to be available. Of course, that is likely just an estimate of availability.
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Hey, Low on Cash. Isn't it strange that you're arguing with clay.leihy (who's obviously wrong) on this thread? And you're arguing with Doug S (obviously wrong) on the Tesla thread? With rider7 on another? With myself and BrianTRice about regen firmware?
Wow. So many of us are completely incompetent and argumentative. We clearly all know so little about so many subjects. If only there was another explanation...
Fred I’m not sure how long you've been on Forums but its not uncommon for “Trolls†to de-rail interesting discussion threads which only serve to bring the community down. This is somewhat like you're doing now, to railroad this very thread by bringing this up - But Lets' quickly look at the three threads you reference:
On the Regen thread - Brian was totally misinformed with the protocol of the Zero’s Bluetooth and assumed the link was active to control the bikes processor and regen during the operation of the bike which he was 100% totally incorrect.
On the E brake thread I offered "Safety" information regarding the new mechanical E brake from Zero and another “Troll†attempted to railroad the thread. It is a law that every licensed motor vehicle must have some type of braking to prevent a roll-away, ICE motorcycles use a compression brake. I provided substantial proof that that all manufactures are indeed complying and I provided images and showing that most automatic bikes and even electric manufactures now have E brakes that in place.
On the Tesla Thread - I simply posted information with regard to Tesla's new 2170 cell and the prospect of the Zero's battery pack becoming more price competitive and this what Doug S reply was;
“Your attempts at sarcasm fall seriously flat when you display your own ignorance by denigrating the intelligence of someone who clearly is very literally a geniusâ€.
It’s clear Doug is clueless and only reads propaganda from the Tesla site and does not have any idea concerning Elon Musk’s thievery and deception and the way he used billions of our tax credits (1.3 Billion from Nevada alone) to build his overpriced 7000 cell lap top battery cars. Even today Musk continues to use tax "Loop Holes" to sell cars direct screwing cities and states and tax payers out of tax monies that all other dealers are required to pay. This is why there is new laws being drafted right now to totally ban Tesla in all states.
If you have any other mis-information feel free to PM me thanks!
(http://www.com-pany.com/zero/ebrake/ban.jpg)
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On the Regen thread - Brian was totally misinformed with the protocol of the Zero’s Bluetooth and assumed the link was active to control the bikes processor and regen during the operation of the bike which he was 100% totally incorrect.
That is about as uncharitable or obtuse a reading of what I said as I can imagine. I can assure you that I never thought that and was reacting to claims you made which tacitly aligned with that.
I think it's fair at minimum to characterize your posts here as antagonistic, without applying any labels or even assuming that you mean your posts to antagonize.
Please try a different approach; we don't appreciate your manner of interaction so far.
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Doesn't matter, Brian, you can lay proof right out in front of him and he'll only get nastier.
DoD #2160,6
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No one asked for examples of motorcycles, or three wheelers that had parking brakes. (or an emergency brake for that matter)
The ask was for the often referenced law, after being invited to find it ourselves, and use our brains... I still couldn't find it.
I even opened it up to accepting European laws as a possibility.
There is no law, that i can find, which requires a motorcycle to be in gear when parked using the 'cited' compression brake option.
Sure it has the option... but manual cars too have that option and they are not exempt from the parking brake law.
So skip other distractions...
Motorcycle Parking Brake Law?
And don't feel defensive about being found out as wrong on the internet... it won't prevent you from becoming president.
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Doesn't everybody always park with the front wheel higher than the rear? I always either pull straight into the parking spot, or turn around and back into it, depending on which end is higher. Not only does that keep the weight of the bike going rearward on the kickstand, so it's keeping it extended rather than folding it up, it also means whichever way you have to back up, you're doing it downhill rather than uphill.
Another parking gem: When I'm driving around a parking lot, looking for a space to park (on the bike or in the car), I hate it when I get halfway into a spot only to realize there's a motorcycle parked deep in the spot. So unless I'm sharing the spot, I always park "shallow" in the spot, near the entry end, so other drivers can see from a long way away that the spot is occupied.
Doug S,
All agreed to what you are saying.
By the way, I am happy to hear that you are doing the exact same thing I began doing a long time ago.
I always park with my tail right at the same depth as all the other cars so no one has to experience the really annoying scenario you described.
Cool thinking, saves aggravation for car drivers.
Rider7
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By the way,
I actually appreciated all your input regarding my parking brake question.
I got enough info out of this and will explore my options when one becomes available.
Thank you for the participation and lively discussion.
Let's all shake hands now and keep this forum "not nasty" as so many other forums are drowning in this style.
I think we of all riders should all get along without too much egos flairing up.
It doesn't matter who is wrong or right, this here is to share and learn from each other and not to bash each other's heads in.
If I want that, I can turn on the news and watch politicians.
Rider7
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Low On Cash would be a lot more entertaining and tolerable as a video-logger. EMF is just the wrong venue for that kind of energy.
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Looking at that "Tesla sales location" map posted by Low on Cash above it looks to me like the green states ought to be colored blue. ;)
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Looking at that "Tesla sales location" map posted by Low on Cash above it looks to me like the green states ought to be colored blue. ;)
It's not at all surprising. The reason the map is the way it is, is because the "red" states refuse to allow Tesla to do business the way they want to -- direct, without independent dealerships. Tesla believes the independent car dealerships just add layers of profit-seekers between the manufacturer and the customer, drive up the cost to the customer, and don't really add any benefit to the relationship. I happen to agree with them....I can't say I've ever had a pleasant experience at a car dealership in my life. Tesla's model ensures that every customer pays the same price, gets the same product, and receives the same service, whoever they are and wherever they purchase.
It's not a perfect plan; in particular, there are large parts of the country that aren't very close to a Tesla shop, so it's hard providing sales and service in those areas. But Tesla is trying very hard, and they're making progress. If the "red" states would relent and allow Tesla to put showrooms in their areas, it would go a long way to helping the people in those states access Tesla sales and service more easily...but the dealership conglomerates hold too much power in those states, so customers are relegated to transporting their vehicles hundreds of miles to get any service at all. Fortunately Tesla is also very good about fetching inoperable vehicles and providing door-to-door service transportation.
Currently, in most of the states colored red on the map, Tesla has "galleries" rather than "showrooms". They're not legally allowed to sell product, allow test drives or even discuss pricing, but you can go look, discuss the cars and the available options with knowledgeable people (docents?), and of course you can then go home and buy your car online, with Tesla delivering it to you when it's ready.
So the map is underwhelming, but the "red" states have only themselves to blame for having no Tesla dealers. It's not at all as was presented, as if Tesla only wants to sell to liberals in "blue" states. They want to sell to customers wherever they are, and whatever their political beliefs may be.
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By the way,
I actually appreciated all your input regarding my parking brake question.
I got enough info out of this and will explore my options when one becomes available.
Thank you for the participation and lively discussion.
Let's all shake hands now and keep this forum "not nasty" as so many other forums are drowning in this style.
I think we of all riders should all get along without too much egos flairing up.
It doesn't matter who is wrong or right, this here is to share and learn from each other and not to bash each other's heads in.
If I want that, I can turn on the news and watch politicians.
Rider7
Thanks for the reply - I'm certain all new models will be outfitted with the mechanical e brake that Zero shows in the manual. It is a much needed safety item that will certainly prevent accidents and injury's. I did purchase one of the $10 Zero handle bar brakes and it works fairly well, however I would much prefer a mechanical brake as the slip on is a pain to use each time you stop.
I would also like to mention - should your bike brake away / roll and injure someone - Even though Zero would be the one at blame - the owner will charged and bare the responsibility and liability with the accident since he didn't secure the bike properly when he left it.
Keep in mind guys it takes very little forward pressure (decline) to roll a Zero off a stand - In addition, I've seen bikes roll off backwards and drag the stand on a Roll Away so use caution, a 500 lb bike hauling ass down the street is very dangerous.
While off topic, here's an article I wanted to share with Doug from the LA Times about the way Tesla or should I say; Elon's genius ways to screw American tax payers.
Enjoy - Mike
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html)
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FWIW, I've owned my 2016 S since last April and I've put 7,500 miles on it. I've parked it on all kinds of surfaces and even (stupidly) pointing downhill when I didn't have many options. It has NEVER rolled off the sidestand. I can't speak for everyone here but when I first got the bike it was a concern of mine but multiple people here assured me it wouldn't be an issue and it turns out they were right.
The sidestand is surprisingly sturdy for such a relatively lightweight motorcycle, the spring that holds it in place seems over-engineered and (as many have pointed out) the bike leans over pretty far when on the stand. All of that adds up to what SHOULD be sufficient weight and resistance on the stand to keep it from rolling off.
As always, YMMV.
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I've never heard of a bike in the UK with a parking brake, and personally never felt a need for one either. A disc lock sounds like a reasonable substitute and with a small amount of security thrown into the bargain.
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Electric Parking brake for electric vehicles... Patented... by Brammo (and not one of Wismann's)
https://www.google.com/patents/US9050905? (https://www.google.com/patents/US9050905?)
This one electronically locks the wheel by binding the motor.
The simplicity of "fitting a parking brake" becomes complicated when you actually have to secure rights to the technology.
(I was reading about a Brammo patent for "ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLE WITH ADJUSTABLE SQUAT RATIO ISOLATED FROM VEHICLE GEOMETRY" and this parking brake was in the margins.)
Same with traction control...Owned by Honda https://www.google.com/patents/CN102343905A (https://www.google.com/patents/CN102343905A)
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Interesting concept thanks for link..... ctrlburn
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Zero now lists the new parking brake accessory that uses a paddle to directly lock an add-on caliper to the rear disc:
http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Zero_Aftermarket#Parking_Brake
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_4&products_id=243
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Zero now lists the new parking brake accessory that uses a paddle to directly lock an add-on caliper to the rear disc:
http://zeromanual.com/index.php/Zero_Aftermarket#Parking_Brake
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_4&products_id=243
For $600, I think I will stick with my Velcro strap around the front brake lever when I need a parking brake. ;)
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For $600, I think I will stick with my Velcro strap around the front brake lever when I need a parking brake. ;)
Just buy the ten dollar version from Zero. (https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_4&products_id=205&zenid=6nmjfl0c6058963hej67umrnp3)
-Don- Cold Springs Valley, NV
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I have two $10 versions on both left and right sides. I "park" on some really steep hills sometimes, like a trail on the side of a mountain that I didn't quite make it up. I have them tied to strings so they are handy when needed and don't fall off.