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General Category => Electric Motorcycle News => Topic started by: motorguy on April 24, 2017, 10:00:01 PM
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Best of both worlds or bad idea?
https://electricmotorcycles.news/crowdfunding-campaign-for-furion-motorcycles/ (https://electricmotorcycles.news/crowdfunding-campaign-for-furion-motorcycles/)
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Bad idea. Don't invest, it will never hit the market. Complexity will drive too much cost and no one would buy if it did come to market.
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A hybrid motorcycle would have to be big enough to be able to hold both a gasoline engine and its fuel supply along with an electric motor and its battery. I can't see any way in HELL the bike in the graphic could accomplish that. Maybe if he were building something along the lines of a Honda GoldWing or a Victory Vision he might be able to make it work but in a little street-fighter type bike?? Not with the technology we have today.
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Gotta go with the guys above on this one. It's not an investment, just a concept that doesn't have reality behind it.
Maybe some day, though!?1
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Rotary motors are very compact, but also not very fuel efficient. Mazda tried for years and finally gave up on them. Maybe if it was a two stroke dirt bike, but then it'll weigh too much.
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Rotary motors are very compact, but also not very fuel efficient. Mazda tried for years and finally gave up on them. Maybe if it was a two stroke dirt bike, but then it'll weigh too much.
The rotary engine used in the mid-1970's Suzukis was not all that compact. ::)
Personally, I am getting a little tired of so many people using electric motorcycles as way of trolling for dollars. Most of these concepts seem to have little hope of ever coming to market and their proponents appear to be looking for suckers who will believe their hype and invest in their project. Whatever happened to visiting Wells Fargo Bank if it is such a good deal, taking out a loan and using your home as collateral? ;)
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Rotary motors are very compact, but also not very fuel efficient. Mazda tried for years and finally gave up on them. Maybe if it was a two stroke dirt bike, but then it'll weigh too much.
The rotary engine used in the mid-1970's Suzukis was not all that compact. ::)
Personally, I am getting a little tired of so many people using electric motorcycles as way of trolling for dollars. Most of these concepts seem to have little hope of ever coming to market and their proponents appear to be looking for suckers who will believe their hype and invest in their project. Whatever happened to visiting Wells Fargo Bank if it is such a good deal, taking out a loan and using your home as collateral? ;)
I've never seen a rotary bike, but I seem to recall hearing about the Suzuki on Motorcycles and Misfits podcast.
Personally, I'm sick of this whole crowd sourcing thing period. It's not much different than panhandling at best. My brother did manage to get a really innovative cooler with a battery source that powered a blender and other accessories, but he had to wait nearly a year and could have gotten ripped off easily. Sculley Helmets is probably the most sickening of them all to us motorcyclists.
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Thank you all for these comments but I have to bring some more information here.
As many of you have seen wacky concepts appear with amazing numbers.
Furion is a team of 8 independent engineers, some of whom are internationally recognized for their work on hybridization, connectivity and electric power.
They are academic partners including 2 schools of engineers specializing in congestion, calculation of structures and embedded intelligent systems.
It is a group of professionals, more than a delusional idea of ​​a single person ;-).
For information also, the rotary motor is no longer current for several months (the deployment despite the evolutions remains delicate and its price is dissuasive). Currently the demonstrator is realized around a motor of Yamaha R6 and has a motor of 15 KW. And the weight of the machine is closer to 240 Kg than to 200 Kg.
The site of Furion will soon be recast (it dates from a year ago, the French publications in the press are more recent) and the translation will also come and it will shed light on this adventure.
Thank you for taking this message, sorry for my rusty English. :-\
Sportively
Marc
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A hybrid motorcycle would have to be big enough to be able to hold both a gasoline engine and its fuel supply along with an electric motor and its battery.
From the current site, which shows two people in the about page. A designer (whose work is found here http://www.hazylight3d.com/ (http://www.hazylight3d.com/)) and a consultant (moto racer).
(http://furion-motorcycles.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/dessin-cot%C3%A9_tech.jpg)
Not sure what the campaign is for but it would only raise $54401.25 USD if it met its goal ... With this I would have to assume there is no working prototype? Is this an exploration crowd funding project?
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I can draw "Pie-in-the-Sky" pictures too. He forgot the location of the Flux Capacitor and the back-up Oscillation Overthruster, by the way.
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To be transparent,
The project is capital-intensive and the purpose of the prototype is 480 K euros. The French and European financing levers are only available on a physical prototype.t Currently, 50K euros is the sum that is necessary to complete the demonstrator. We do not rely solely on this call to finance the project of course, but by transparency, we mention what is missing for the start-up. The image that you broadcast is an illustration (one of the first). The final (and EU-approved) prototypes will retain most of the lines, will differ on some aspects that are directly related to the solutions chosen.
Marc
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I can draw "Pie-in-the-Sky" pictures too. He forgot the location of the Flux Capacitor and the back-up Oscillation Overthruster, by the way.
Fixed it. The OO only needs to be attached at the swing arm since it requires a direct connection to the the tire for reverse functions only. The FC is integrated into the motor casing of course.
(https://i.imgur.com/vDUH3S0.png)
Furion, transparency is key and we all greatly appreciate anyone who is willing to directly address the community about their funding campaigns. We all joke around here because we have seen so many bogus projects we don't trust anything anymore less there is a prototype (unless you are Lit Motors ... we don't trust them anymore) . Secretly we all want alternative energy bikes to succeed.
If you get a prototype of this working it could change many things for the better so naturally we wish you luck.
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Thank you all for these comments but I have to bring some more information here.
As many of you have seen wacky concepts appear with amazing numbers.
Furion is a team of 8 independent engineers, some of whom are internationally recognized for their work on hybridization, connectivity and electric power.
They are academic partners including 2 schools of engineers specializing in congestion, calculation of structures and embedded intelligent systems.
It is a group of professionals, more than a delusional idea of ​​a single person ;-).
For information also, the rotary motor is no longer current for several months (the deployment despite the evolutions remains delicate and its price is dissuasive). Currently the demonstrator is realized around a motor of Yamaha R6 and has a motor of 15 KW. And the weight of the machine is closer to 240 Kg than to 200 Kg.
The site of Furion will soon be recast (it dates from a year ago, the French publications in the press are more recent) and the translation will also come and it will shed light on this adventure.
Thank you for taking this message, sorry for my rusty English. :-\
Sportively
Marc
Thank you for the update. The rotary concept was very radical and difficult to see coming to fruition. Your current description sounds much more feasible.
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The reason you don't see Wankel rotary engines in production, road-going vehicles is because they simply can't pass modern emissions standards. For all intents and purposes, they are a "total-loss" lubrication system, only marginally better than a two-stroke piston engine in that regard.
Perhaps the designer is counting on the electric motor being the primary drive for the vehicle lowering the overall emissions-per-mile to an acceptable level?? I'm not even sure how either the EU or the US measures emissions for approvals.
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The reason you don't see Wankel rotary engines in production, road-going vehicles is because they simply can't pass modern emissions standards. For all intents and purposes, they are a "total-loss" lubrication system, only marginally better than a two-stroke piston engine in that regard.
Perhaps the designer is counting on the electric motor being the primary drive for the vehicle lowering the overall emissions-per-mile to an acceptable level?? I'm not even sure how either the EU or the US measures emissions for approvals.
This is absolutely true, but mazda has managed to adapt the rotating standards to the Euro 6 b standards on RX vision with the implementation of Skyactive R. However, it is a technology now locked and highly patented. Inaccessible for a small Startup.
This remains an interesting solution to be honest, only if this giant is interested in the concept, but before that we have to go through certain stages ;-).
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I can draw "Pie-in-the-Sky" pictures too. He forgot the location of the Flux Capacitor and the back-up Oscillation Overthruster, by the way.
Fixed it. The OO only needs to be attached at the swing arm since it requires a direct connection to the the tire for reverse functions only. The FC is integrated into the motor casing of course.
(https://i.imgur.com/vDUH3S0.png)
Furion, transparency is key and we all greatly appreciate anyone who is willing to directly address the community about their funding campaigns. We all joke around here because we have seen so many bogus projects we don't trust anything anymore less there is a prototype (unless you are Lit Motors ... we don't trust them anymore) . Secretly we all want alternative energy bikes to succeed.
If you get a prototype of this working it could change many things for the better so naturally we wish you luck.
I am also convinced of this, and I understand the mistrust of the community. The current version is summarized in a 70-page document. And the highly illustrated exhibition to the general public does not resist 15 sc to experienced people. Also, it is always interesting to interact on forums, even if it stings a little sometimes ;-).
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,,,I am also convinced of this, and I understand the mistrust of the community. The current version is summarized in a 70-page document. And the highly illustrated exhibition to the general public does not resist 15 sc to experienced people. Also, it is always interesting to interact on forums, even if it stings a little sometimes ;-).
It is a fascinating engineering challenge for a motorcycle vehicle.
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,,,I am also convinced of this, and I understand the mistrust of the community. The current version is summarized in a 70-page document. And the highly illustrated exhibition to the general public does not resist 15 sc to experienced people. Also, it is always interesting to interact on forums, even if it stings a little sometimes ;-).
It is a fascinating engineering challenge for a motorcycle vehicle.
A challenge which I wish them the best of luck with. They have an uphill battle and uncountable challenges. Great things never come easy though.
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Two thing, battery capacity isn't mentioned anywhere as far as I could've find, and how are you planning to cram a battery of any significant proportion in that teeny tiny tail piece?
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Two thing, battery capacity isn't mentioned anywhere as far as I could've find, and how are you planning to cram a battery of any significant proportion in that teeny tiny tail piece?
I think with said tailpiece it could be 4kW max? Assuming a custom made battery ...
It would be more interesting to turn the tail into the gas tank and put more batteries under the actual tank area. Kinda of like how the NC700X stores its gas. This opens up the possibility of more battery range.
But this all really depends on how this thing is going to work (ie generator based, or hybrid based where low cities speeds = electric and highway = gas)