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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: ctrlburn on May 14, 2017, 07:26:30 AM
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Never gone a 100 miles in a day.
I've never ridden my Zero outside home state of Wisconsin.
I've never been below 17% SOC
Still Lovin' It 20,000 miles later
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Never gone a 100 miles in a day.
I've never ridden my Zero outside home state of Wisconsin.
I've never been below 17% SOC
Still Lovin' It 20,000 miles later
Dude, 4% SOC gives a *huge* adrenalin rush ;)
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I've ridden my Zero nearly 40 miles in one day. Can I join? (In the interests of full disclosure, I have ridden ice bikes a LOT further.)
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+1 I like blackjack and hookers!
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This will be me (when I finally get my bike). Fortunately I live in a part of the country that gives me everything I need for a good ride in about 30-40 miles...
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Up until recently, 90 miles was my longest day but two weeks ago I pulled into the garage with EXACTLY 100 miles. I did "cheat," as at the end site the hosting club let me plug in to their outdoor outlet while I had lunch. That was more of a "Security Blanket" than anything else as I'm pretty sure I would've made it home on the remaining charge (but why take the chance when you don't have to?).
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I'm thinking the REAL mileage club to be proud to belong to is the total mileage club. I've got 31,000+ on and have never exceeded 100 in a day. Which means I ride my bike just about EVERY DAY. She's no weekend/holiday/vacation queen, she's my daily ride. That's how you rack up miles on a vehicle.
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I've never ridden my FX more than 70 miles in a day. And I've ridden in NC, TN, VA, WV, SC, GA and KY. But I almost never ride on pavement, probably 30 miles total in a year out of almost 2000 off road miles.
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Damn, I think I'm in this club. The furthest I've taken my Zero in a given day is 80 miles. It's my daily commuter and the odometer reads 29.4k as of today. I'd like to get a fast charger and do a road trip some day though.
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Haha, I thought this club was going to be a challenge to see who could get the lowest mileage on a full charge.
I've seen 50 miles before ;D
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Never gone 40 miles in a day.
I've never ridden my Zero outside home city of San Diego.
I've never been below 40% SOC
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most I've ridden has been 133km in one go, got home on empty.
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Hmmm missed out again, looks like I'm in no club. My longest ride is 200km in a day with a small 1 hour charge at 100km (turn around point).
So more than 100 miles and less than 250 miles.
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I rode my FXS to work today. It's only 2 miles and I arrived with 98% remaining. Whenever I did this on my previous ICE bike the engine hadn't even warmed up and I felt bad about that.
(By the way, when it isn't raining that 2 miles seems to somehow become 10-25 miles and I arrive at work with a big smile on my face.)
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So for the last 10 years I can understand how it is challenging to get out of this club. But now with the plug and play Diginow supercharger and #DubJay charging, anyone can ride a zero 500 miles or more on a Saturday or Sunday if you want to.
Depending on where you live you could ride your Zero to Vegas now and still enjoy your hookers and blackjack. Hint: there are free chargers in all the casinos! It's like they want you to stay there as long as you want or something! I love riding my Zero to both Vegas and Reno! EV's get VIP parking and treatment when you pull in on your bike!
Can we eventually start a new club? Those who rode between 500 and 1000 miles in a day with the superchargers on their Zero to hang out with hookers and play blackjack? I'll bet there are a few takers I know in California who would do this just to join the club. ;) ;) ;)
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Us daily commuters have some respectfully high odometers.
I think these are the Zero's most impacting emissions and paying for themselves.
All it takes to get out of this club is a ride in the morning, a Level 1 plug in all day and another ride in the evening. But commutes don't work that way.
Even with quick chargers, I don't have such chances for hours of joy rides.... Yet.
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Us daily commuters have some respectfully high odometers.
I think these are the Zero's most impacting emissions and paying for themselves.
All it takes to get out of this club is a ride in the morning, a Level 1 plug in all day and another ride in the evening. But commutes don't work that way.
Even with quick chargers, I don't have such chances for hours of joy rides.... Yet.
I hear you. I used to work 2 jobs 7 days a week in my 20's too. Hopefully one day soon your boss will give you at least one weekend a month off so you can take some epic rides on your Zero into the mountains somewhere. If not in the next few months hopefully later this year. Working everyday isn't good in the long run. Tell your boss you will come back more productive than ever if you can take a 2000 mile weekend road trip on your Zero and feel mentally refreshed! Throttle therapy!! ;)
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So for the last 10 years I can understand how it is challenging to get out of this club.
I think part of the reason for this (not particularly serious) thread is that some of us don't really have a need to get out of this club. A FXS without any quick charging is doing everything I need of a bike right now. That may change and it's good to know options are out there, but I'm happy.
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I think part of the reason for this (not particularly serious) thread is that some of us don't really have a need to get out of this club.
Damn straight! I couldn't be more proud of my bike and what it has achieved. I haven't had the opportunity to do any long rides yet, but I will when I'm able. I'm looking forward to a long, busy summer.
But in the meantime, I have no desire to "break out". I bought my bike (mostly) to push the technology ahead, which means using it the way it'll have the most meaning to the largest number of people. Very few people want to go on Iron Butt rides, but just about everybody has daily commuting/local transportation needs. Everyone I know has had at least one earful of just how great my bike is in that role.
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Exactly. In a little over a year I've logged over 10,000 miles on my S. Those are miles that would've been logged on my other two bikes because the majority of my riding is commuting/local riding. However, when I headed down to Daytona Beach this past March, the question of how I might be able to do that on the Zero never ONCE entered my mind. I loaded up the K1200LT without a second thought.
I've been using my C650GT over the winter on days when it really was too cold to use the Zero. I don't have a battery pack heater and I wouldn't have a place to plug it in at the office either (I don't even have a place at the office to plug in the Zero so I had to have a bike that could do the entire round trip on a single charge with enough spare capacity for incidental riding at lunch or after work). The C650GT has the convenience of clutchless riding in traffic, but it also has better wind protection, heated seats, heated grips and enough electrical capacity to power a heated vest or jacket to boot.
Just have to use the proper tool for the job, that's all. On an average year, I log about 18,000 miles on two wheels. The Zero is now accounting for more than half of that, PLUS it saves wear & tear (and maintenance costs) on the two ICE bikes while costing little to maintain by itself. Win-win!
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Never gone a 100 miles in a day.
I've never ridden my Zero outside home state of Wisconsin.
I've never been below 17% SOC
Still Lovin' It 20,000 miles later
This was my club. Until supercharging. : - )
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I'm lucky enough to have a 5-minute FX commute, 10 minutes to the gym, 2 minutes to the grocery store, etc. Typically I would return home with 80-90% charge. So I removed the front battery and swap it out with the rear each Sunday. Now this thing is a freaking joy at only 250lb and zips up and down stairs. I have to jump 14 speed humps per day -- poor me!
The furthest I've pushed it was 58 miles from Mtn. View to Los Gatos and up Black to Skyline to see the mudslide in the pouring rain. I wanted to hit 60.0, so I started looping around the neighborhood. It stopped at 59.2 / 7% charge, and I pushed it home 3 blocks. Very memorable day indeed.
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I do not remember the last time I got on the bike and did less than 100 miles in a day. :o
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My son has not done over 100 miles in a day.
He has ridden his bike in two states.
He learned and licensed on my Zero S, then bought his own SR.
Has never driven a ICE motorcycle.
His SR passed 10,000 miles today.
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Just this week I started commuting with my DSR. I have a 100 mile round trip to work. I have Level-2 charging available, but I am using the external 120 plug near the parking lot to save the spaces on the Level-2 spots for cars. I am riding all back roads averaging around 45MPH. This week I've been arriving at work at 52% SOC and it takes about 6 hours to top that off back to 100%. I guess it must be downhill to home, because I have been getting home at 60-62% SOC (probably more regen, slower traffic as well).
So before this week, I was in the < 100 mile club, but now I am in the >100 < 250 club. I've ridden my Zero in three states (MA, NH, ME), I cover two states in my commute. My ODO is only at 4400 miles, but it will be climbing fast now!
Steve
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I wish my company had an outside 120V outlet. We have plenty of outlets inside the warehouse because the forklifts are all electric. I wonder who I could talk to about bringing the bike inside and getting a charge during the day...
But then I'd be worried something STUPID would happen and I think I'm better off leaving it outside.
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I wish my company had an outside 120V outlet. We have plenty of outlets inside the warehouse because the forklifts are all electric. I wonder who I could talk to about bringing the bike inside and getting a charge during the day...
But then I'd be worried something STUPID would happen and I think I'm better off leaving it outside.
When I was working and commuting on my Electric Motorsport GPR-S I charged up at work. All you need is a long enough extension cord. ;D
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But our windows don't open! Lucky for me, we recently installed an outside outlet for some equipment tests we run in the parking lot.
Steve
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Rolltop door by the forklift area maybe? I've done that.
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Rolltop door by the forklift area maybe? I've done that.
That's actually the site I've been eye-balling. Unfortunately it also looks like there is a LOT of activity around that area (as you'd expect). I need to find out who I'd have to talk to...
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I don't qualify for this club or the 250 club. Of course during this trip to Kentucky I had no access to a quick charger.
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I don't qualify for this club or the 250 club. Of course during this trip to Kentucky I had no access to a quick charger.
This ain't the fun club.
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It might not be the fun club but it's something. I'm used to being an "outcast" anyway. I'd like to see if I could do an iron butt on on a Zero just to say I did one.
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This ain't the fun club.
Depends on your definition of "fun." I know I'm having a HELL of a good time. :D
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If you reach 10% SOC within 100 miles, you either had a lot of fun or went up some mountain ;)
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If you reach 10% SOC within 100 miles, you either had a lot of fun or went up some mountain ;)
Depends on the bike. The only way I'd get 100 miles on a charge with my FX is if I rode it downhill the whole way.
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If you reach 10% SOC within 100 miles, you either had a lot of fun or went up some mountain ;)
An 80 mile stretch of highway riding at 70 mph will do it too, but it isn't much fun.
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Winds and high speeds are killer on range. I actually ran my 11.4 kWh battery flat once doing a 75 mile trip. I went through this long stretch of highway where the speed limit is 70 mph. Winds were stupid strong that day though, and also for some strange reason strong winds make everyone want to drive way faster.
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I found following large trucks at 70 MPH was not at all fun. I found a good backroad route to work after my first try at 35 miles highway at one go. Too much stress. Does a windscreen cut down on the turbulence a bit on the highway? I'm still stock on my DSR, other than a Corbin seat.
Steve
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If your windshield is large enough it will offer protection from turbulence to your torso up to the shoulders. Ideally it won't stream the air over the helmet as this can be counterintuively loud and uncomfortable. Any severe headwind won't be stopped by a shield but imho it provides good protection for highway legs up to 80mph. Haven't really tested any more since it's a range killer.
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If your windshield is large enough it will offer protection from turbulence to your torso up to the shoulders. Ideally it won't stream the air over the helmet as this can be counterintuively loud and uncomfortable. Any severe headwind won't be stopped by a shield but imho it provides good protection for highway legs up to 80mph. Haven't really tested any more since it's a range killer.
A well chosen and positioned windscreen will increase your range at speeds above 45mph, especially in a headwind (compared to stock).
The way to tune it is to keep the angle as shallow as you can to guide air from around the headlamp (over and under the screen) and exit with a spoiler or soft lip aimed at a high point on your helmet so that there's no turbulence on you but your helmet becomes part of the aerodynamic surface, closing the air around your back without a vortex.
It helps to get a specialty windscreen made for sport touring. Parabellum, CalSci, and Laminar Lip all have good designs. CalSci uses a slot in the windscreen to get more air under the windscreen for this purpose.
It also helps for headwinds if you can adjust the windscreen position for that because the ideal position changes depending on airspeed. I tend to optimize for about 65-70mph but 80mph in a headwind can be out of the range.
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If you reach 10% SOC within 100 miles, you either had a lot of fun or went up some mountain ;)
Must be nice to have so much capacity. My 2014 SR has only ever done 100 miles when it was brand new and ridden slow.
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A well chosen and positioned windscreen will increase your range at speeds above 45mph, especially in a headwind (compared to stock). The way to tune it is to keep the angle as shallow
I'm a bit dimensionally challenged. Brian, could you clarify what you mean by "angle." X or Y coordinate?
thanks in advance!
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I am afraid what you may have already been reading on the Blogo-sphere or the Twitter-verse is true.
Another giant has fallen.
It was some inevitable factors...
A sympathetic swap of mid-day dental appointments with my wife.
A workday I could not avoid either morning or afternoon absence.
A charging point, all too near.
These are the cards I had been dealt.
I could either play the hand or fold.
Some may say at a point, I bought it upon myself.
Because I didn't need the charge if I took the shortest routes.
So it was in acceptance of the inevitable that I plugged in to charge while at that fateful appointment.
Even if charged I didn't need to stray.
But I didn't take the short way home, knowing full well the consequences.
When I founded the "Under 100 Mile Club" I knew it was not forever.
My time spent on this thread was proud and meaningful.
That sweetness has been too short.
Now I must take my leave this place of comfort, the "Under 100 Mile Club".
Let it been known, in the end, I did not enter limp mode.
I arrived safely at home with 18% SOC.
I thank those who inspired me, Gyrocyclist, JamieC, Benswing and both Electrics Terry & Cowboy.
And ChargePoint, who seems always nearby.
Please keep the electrons flowing Doug S & Blotman, the other commuters need you.
Of course I'll miss the hookers as well, and the blackjack.
Emtkopan and I journey now unaffiliated in the dark ether we all know exists between the threads.
Perhaps I will emerge in the "250 Mile Club".
Though with Level 1 charging it may be a while.
Even now as I type:
The charge is building and the day is not yet done.
I might have forgotten some groceries. ;D
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I recently moved out of the club as well, I did 270kms in one day, funny thing is that even though my app said 25% when I got to the charger, after I keyed off and started pouring the amps to it with my fast charger the app read 35% , I think the bike is having trouble calculating the new 13kw battery from the old 11.4kw battery and has to be refreshed to get the state of charge correct, anyone else with the replacement battery seeing this?
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My more stressing trip...
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My more stressing trip...
I know that feeling well. When I did my 90 mile day my battery read-out was showing "00%" for the last three miles... I made it into the garage without feeling any slow down in performance but I was already taking it easy with the throttle.
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Only 72 miles to get this state...
Speed during the trip was 70 for the first 36 miles, then 55 to hope go back to home ^^
Empty topcase, little wind but not too much, touring screen.
May i have a batery issue ?
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107km on a ZF13 battery is a bit on the low side, given that you really rode at the speeds you mention (112km/h and 90km/h) and you had no constant headwind. I found out the hard way that 6bft headwind costs you almost double the energy of no wind at all...
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Longest trip so far on my 2015 FX 6.5, ~52 miles, with 10% remaining. It would have been more but the last mile or so I hit the interstate in Sport mode. Most of the trip was frontage roads, from Northglenn to Fort Collins at about 45 mph.
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Well yesterday after just under a month of ownership I exceeded 100 miles in a day/on a charge (109.5 miles to be exact).
I had to be somewhere about 35 miles away so I was a bit aprensive starting out knowing my expected range was only 70 miles @ 70mph.
I kept off the freeway for the first 10 miles as I knew that section runs fast & I would expend much energy keeping from getting run over.
Soon after getting on the freeway I hit traffic (as I knew I would).
This kept my speed down as I filtered my way through.
When I broke through traffic, I kept it at or slightly below the limit (65).
At times it appeared that I was getting just under 1.5 miles/% of battery level usage.
COOL I thought.... I'm going to turn this into a "let's see how many miles I can get out of a charge" ride.
For my return, I decided to take side roads rather the gobble up power on the freeway.
I even found a dirt road (all of 1/2 mile but still...).
When I hit Molhuland Hiway I still had 35+% left on the battery level with 80 or so miles on the clock.
I decided to have a bit of fun in the mountains (Santa Monica's) & picked up the pace a bit as based on miles to battery % earlier in the day I was going to get home with plenty to spare.
By the time I passed the Rockstore http://www.rock-store.com/ (http://www.rock-store.com/)
I was concerend to see I was down to 15%.
I know I'm only 12 miles from home (the long way) at this point & mostly downhill but I must get up the Snake first https://www.google.com/search?q=the+snake+mulholland&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS630US630&oq=the+snake+mu&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l2.12010j0j4&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=HicE-MlZGr7IOM: (https://www.google.com/search?q=the+snake+mulholland&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS630US630&oq=the+snake+mu&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l2.12010j0j4&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=HicE-MlZGr7IOM:)
About halfway up, I realize battery level is dropping MUCH faster then it has previously!!!
I'm really taking it easy at this point & it's a good thing it's late in the day & I have the road to myself so as not to be a rolling roadblock.
By the time I get to the top, I realize I have to take the shortest way home (7 or so miles).
It's mostly downhill so I know that will help as I run full regen (Custom mode).
I'm tucked in as much as I can & debate if I should speed up in order to catch a car to draft.
I do catch a car & plant myself on their bumber all tucked in.
I watch in horror as I'm down to 3%, then 2%.
Thankfully it's a loooong downhill section with much regen & 3% reappears.
Finally the downhill section ends & I must climb.
By this time 00% is displayed......
What the Heck, what happened to 01%? I never saw it!!!
I decide to dump my tow & just slow WAY DOWN.
I'm contemplating my options.....
There's a fire station not too far off my path. I could stop by there for a quick charge. I check the time & see it's 8:30. Concerned that's a bit late for an unannounced visit I decide to press on.
I then decide to try to find a 110v outlet in a strip mall.
I circle around briefly looking & decide it's not worth the energy (literally) looking for power 4 miles from home as I MAY just pull this off yet.
It was perhaps the longest 4 miles I've yet traveled but I made it.
I never felt any reduction in performance, but then again I was REAL gentle on the rheostat.
I've since read that the % indicator can be misleading & that battery voltage is a truer gauge.
Wish I had that knowledge last night.
NAHHHH, I just would have pressed on further & then truly ran out of juice.
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...By this time 00% is displayed......
What the Heck, what happened to 01%? I never saw it!!!...
You had another 5 miles of range at 20mph left (top speed limits to 45mph or so on flat even ground in this mode). There's a pessimism value cooked into the MBB settings. My 2016 DSR reportedly is set to 6% pessimism by default. I frequently see the bike drop from 02% to 00%. I don't think I've ever seen the 01% on any Zero.
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...By this time 00% is displayed......
What the Heck, what happened to 01%? I never saw it!!!...
You had another 5 miles of range at 20mph left (top speed limits to 45mph or so on flat even ground in this mode). There's a pessimism value cooked into the MBB settings. My 2016 DSR reportedly is set to 6% pessimism by default. I frequently see the bike drop from 02% to 00%. I don't think I've ever seen the 01% on any Zero.
I got my 2014 Zero PT S down to 01% and then just as it went to 00% the bike stopped dead. I guess it just depends upon which firmware revision you have installed. My firmware dates back to January 2014.
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I've never seen 01%, 21%, 41%, 61% or 81% displayed on my dash. If anyone has a picture showing any of these SOC's I would love to see it. Not sure if its just my bike, or my firmware version or if all Zero's are this way.
Grandpa and ESokolof - for now at least if you have an iPhone and exit out of the app while riding and then hit the Zero icon again, at least for me it displays a pop up screen "connection to bike restored" and when I hit "ok" it goes to the battery page and I can see voltage, amps, watts, SOC - and basically everything I need to know exactly how many miles I have left.
You have about a mile left at 92 volts, and about 5 miles left at 95 volts, granted these will all be at progressively reduced speeds, and this is not under throttle load. While using throttle, you will surely see 90 volts if you are feeling a power cutback. It will take a time or two to understand how the discharge curve works, but I'm sure most 5th graders could figure out how to correlate voltage to miles left based on their bike, riding style, weight etc, so I'm sure that means at least half of Zero owners will find voltage display to be very useful and most of those will consider it the most valuable metric they have to estimate remaining range. I say remaining as it is not very useful above 25%. For that use the dash SOC display. At 50% the voltage curve is very flat and has very little sag compared to under 25% where voltage starts to drop faster and faster and near the end is extremely precise as where the SOC display could be + or - 10, 15% or more. For Voltage to be most accurate to predict remaining range you need to coast for 3-5 seconds (no power bars on dash in the positive or negative direction (regen)), or what I would recommend for now is just pull over every few miles when you think you are getting low and check the voltage that way. If you can't display voltage while riding, hit the stop/run switch and it should go to the battery page. if it's 96-97 volts while sitting, its a good time to put the voltage on the display screen so you can see it while riding. At least that's what I do. I can adjust speed and ride faster so I can arrive at my charge stations at 0% dash everytime and yet not worry at all ever.
About the only thing I wish the battery page had on it is battery temperature, but that is because of repeated fast charging cycles, but something I like to keep an eye on while riding. And unfortunately its only visible as one of the selectable options on the riding screen, which I don't use for 2 reasons. It doesn't display voltage, and it doesn't do portrait mode. Hopefully there will be an update soon that fixes all these things
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I have my riding screen in portrait mode. It's selected at the top of the riding screen setup page.
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I have my riding screen in portrait mode. It's selected at the top of the riding screen setup page.
Holy crap! Thanks DPsSRnSD! It sure is! I can't tell you how many Zero owners don't know that exists. I look at that page all the time and have never seen that top line. My eyes always go right to #1 in the middle of the page. I thought it was a title and never read it said landscape lol. I'll poll Zak Vetter today who was just complaining to me a few days ago about the lack of portrait mode for the Zero app. I'll show him the option and ask him why he and others never saw that either! Awesome! 1 down, 1 to go! (battery voltage on riding screen)
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Portrait mode was not a working feature until the most recent Zero Motorcycles app revisions. On some cheap go-phones like the one I'm using the option to lock the screen orientation only has options "Auto" and "Portrait" there is no way to lock landscape orientation.
Anyways the Zero app is pretty useless while riding - it does not display voltage and that's all I need to know while riding.
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I use it to monitor the battery, motor and controller temperatures. I also display the remaining range which NEVER agrees with the figure displayed on the dash. I go with the more "pessimistic" number just to be on the safe side. :P