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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: macstructures on July 19, 2017, 11:44:38 AM
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I made a rookie mistake trying to save some $$$.
I was looking into buying Ride-On Tire Sealant for my motorcycle and most of the bottles were 8 oz ($14.50) and I need more for the Zero and my other two Harley Davidson, that I have not riden since I bought the Zero a month ago. :)
So I found a 32 oz ($20.99) and decided to buy it... it was a 3rd of the price for 4 bottles of the correct item (the MC version).
Now the question... Is it the same product... just advertised for motorcycles? and of course everything for motorcycles is more $$$.
Do I have to remove it from the motorcycle tires and put the correct product? or wait until I need new tires? I only have 600 miles on it and don't want to mess up the tires or wheels.
I noticed that it was for ATVs tonight, when I was going to re-order another bottle for the other motorcycles, but unfortunately (hope not) I already put it on the Zero and one tire on the HD. I rode the Zero today after installing it for about 60 miles... all good... but not very fast about 60 MPH top speed.
Thanks.
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By the lack of responses... it looks like I'm the first one that has made this mistake?
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In my opinion using a product like this is a mistake.
I carry two plug type product as well as a small pump.
That said I've yet to prove that the pump will work on the 10amp aux. circuit so perhaps your approach will ultimately work best on a motorcycle with very limited aux. power :P
http://www.dynaplug.com/products.html (http://www.dynaplug.com/products.html)
http://www.tirerepairkit.com/ (http://www.tirerepairkit.com/)
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That said I've yet to prove that the pump will work on the 10amp aux. circuit so perhaps your approach will ultimately work best on a motorcycle with very limited aux. power :P
http://www.dynaplug.com/products.html (http://www.dynaplug.com/products.html)
http://www.tirerepairkit.com/ (http://www.tirerepairkit.com/)
See also review of similar compressor http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=6347.0 (http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=6347.0)
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Thank you both for the info, but still not an answer to my question. I would like to know is someone has used the ATV version of this product on a motorcycle.
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I would do it, for a small hole, in a pinch, but if you are asking if some expert will tell you it's fine, probably not.
Motorcycles go way faster, and put a lot more stress on tires. You don't see ATVs going 90mph, and you the forces are larger when the wheels are larger and the PSI are greater.
In my mind, the risk tradeoff would be that if it got me to where I could do a better fix, I would do it, but I would run at lower speeds, stay closer to the edge of the highway, and ride with the full awareness that I was taking a chance.
Better to carry a proper repair kit and a compressor. But that's bulk.
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I wouldn't trust tire sealant nor want to deal with the mess come time to change a tire, but maybe (I hope?) you will have better results?
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The problem is that I already put it in the tires on my Zero... I just wanted to know if someone has use the ATV version on their motorcycle, the same mistake, and had any issues with it?
This product you put it in the tires and that is it, it should take care of punctures (1/4 inch or less, per website) and leaks for the life of the tire or until the damage is too big for it to fix it.... when the tire has worn out due to use or extrema damages (something that this can not seal), then you remove the tire, clean the wheel, install the new tire and put Tide-on again until you replace the tire again.
I know a guy that puts it in the tires every time he installs new tires, and it stays on it for the life of the tire (10K plus miles). I just don't know somebody that has use the ATV version on Motorcycles.
Speed wise I should be fine... for me is the joy of riding, be out doors, relax.. have fun. Don't care how fast I go, don't have a time frame to get to my destination, if any, and come back. I never been on a long ride ( I don't think I want to) ... maybe 150 miles total in a day, with a few stops on the way... just relaxing.
For example the other two motorcycles that I have are a 2008 with 7200 miles, 2009 with 7800 and the Zero with 600 miles in 2 months.
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...For example the other two motorcycles that I have are a 2008 with 7200 miles, 2009 with 7800 and the Zero with 600 miles in 2 months.
My 2016 DSR just turned 16,000mi today. Sweet sixteen I say. Rear was changed sometime when I got a puncture, didn't bother to plug it. Front is from when bike was new. I have a set of Shinko tires, ordered tools today, going to make a video on changing tires.
(http://i.imgur.com/TpIB3OG.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/UWJIUyC.jpg)
Not trying to hijack your thread. I just provide this for comparison. I can't bother with goop in my tires, but I also don't know if it's effective or not, just that it's a mess for the person changing tires.
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They look like they still have some life in them, did you see Anton's, or worse, Terry's?
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They look like they still have some life in them, did you see Anton's, or worse, Terry's?
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If you can't see cords all the way around, getting a new tire is just wasting perfectly good materials IMO. Just be prepared for a pop if you run over a sharp rock, and be prepared to ride at 20 mph to your closest tire repair store
As far as tire sealant, I carry 4 sticky plugs, the inserter (not the reamer) and a 12v powered mini slime ball air pump with flashlight built in. Weighs less than a pound, and less than $20 from O'reilly autoparts in santa cruz but I assume at all of them. Tire sealant makes changing tires a miserable job for the mechanic. Stick to plugs and an air compressor. Carry a can with you in an emergency to use if the plug doesn't work for some reason (mine always have worked, some plugs have lasted for 15,000 miles, never had one fail!)
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They look like they still have some life in them, did you see Anton's, or worse, Terry's?
I washed out yesterday both wheels on a dirt road and just barely recovered. Time to change the tires.
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OK... but again... not what I asked.
Has anybody used ride-on tire sealant labeled ATV on a motorcycle?
I might be a mess / miserable to change the tire... but my main concern is not to go down due to a puncture or have a flat that could be prevented by using this product. A mess / miserable to remove a tire for the owner or the mechanic is nothing in comparison to going down and messed up your motorcycle and/or badly hurt.
By the amount of miles that other members can ride on these tires... it looks like Ride-on will be in my tires for a while... hopefully I will have to change them due to wear and after thousands of miles... not due to a puncture or accident.
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Ah, okay. If it was mine, I'd let it be. It's already in there, it shouldn't do much harm. If you have to deal with gunk in the tire you might as well wait till you have to change a tire.
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Can't help you with the ATV Ride-On but I can comment on whether Ride-On is messy or not - in my opinion, it isn't. It stays neatly right in the center of the tire and washes out easily with water if you need to wash it out. I have changed tires with Ride-On in them and it has not been a problem at all. I don't use it anymore because it failed to stop a slow leak and I kind of lost confidence in it. I have heard that Slime tire sealant is quite messy.
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Ah, okay. If it was mine, I'd let it be. It's already in there, it shouldn't do much harm. If you have to deal with gunk in the tire you might as well wait till you have to change a tire.
Yes... thats the plan.. I been searching online and a few persons have used the ATV version on motorcycles, a lot cheaper and it seems to have the same result. Some say that it might not be good due to the fact that motorcycles run at higher speeds... but no problem with me.. just ride to enjoy the day... no rush or timeline... will give it a try.
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Can't help you with the ATV Ride-On but I can comment on whether Ride-On is messy or not - in my opinion, it isn't. It stays neatly right in the center of the tire and washes out easily with water if you need to wash it out. I have changed tires with Ride-On in them and it has not been a problem at all. I don't use it anymore because it failed to stop a slow leak and I kind of lost confidence in it. I have heard that Slime tire sealant is quite messy.
OK.. will see when I have to replace a tire... hopefully in several thousands miles... I only have 600 miles.
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the main difference I see from the website, is that the motorcycle version is safe for TPM sensors, and that it works on the center of the tire and is quite thick: from the vid ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2eTQk0Oarg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2eTQk0Oarg) ). The ATV version does not mention those features, but mainly that it will seal a larger hole up to .25" and seal bead leaks. This implys that it is a thinner formula if it can reach the bead area.
They race those atvs and off-the-road vehicles, so I doubt that speed would be a problem.
The tires have a larger volume - the volume of the target tire could be one reason it's cheaper.
The ATV formula was also advertised for motocross bikes.
https://youtu.be/olwlaskyHSA (https://youtu.be/olwlaskyHSA)
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the main difference I see from the website, is that the motorcycle version is safe for TPM sensors, and that it works on the center of the tire and is quite thick: from the vid ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2eTQk0Oarg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2eTQk0Oarg) ). The ATV version does not mention those features, but mainly that it will seal a larger hole up to .25" and seal bead leaks. This implys that it is a thinner formula if it can reach the bead area.
They race those atvs and off-the-road vehicles, so I doubt that speed would be a problem.
The tires have a larger volume - the volume of the target tire could be one reason it's cheaper.
The ATV formula was also advertised for motocross bikes.
https://youtu.be/olwlaskyHSA (https://youtu.be/olwlaskyHSA)
Thank you VERY MUCH for taking the time and posting the info and videos... very helpful.
I already put the ATV version on the Zero DSR and one tire of the HD, I will complete the process on the other tire of the HD and the second HD motorcycle using the same product for now... and see what happens.
The info that I found, was pretty much the same that you did ...it should be OK for both applications... if not.. when it get to a point of replacing the tires due to wear (YES) or failure (Hopefully NOT), I will then decide if I use the ATV formula again or the motorcycle one... .. hopefully the motorcycle version is at a lower price.
Thanks.
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For whatever it's worth, mushroom plugs were super effective for me. I got a puncture on brand new tire, got it plugged and it lasted ~7K miles until this happened:
(http://i.imgur.com/OD3UNCU.jpg)
I personally wouldn't bother with sealant, sticky plugs are the way to go IMO.
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http://www.ride-on.com/calculator.html (http://www.ride-on.com/calculator.html)
I already put the ATV version on the Zero DSR and one tire of the HD,
did you use the calculator for your dose -ATV Dosage Calculations- for that formula? they say up to 25% more can be used for extreme conditions.
Oh and for Plug users, the ride-on formulas say they are plug repair safe.
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I'd email them as a motocross dosage question:
Please email us each tire size that you find that is not in our dosage table so that we can add it to future versions.
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hmm... I'd email them, and avoid the ATV in a road only tire (Harley)
http://www.ride-on.com/technical.html (http://www.ride-on.com/technical.html)
As another example our ATV sealant is rather viscous with rubber particles, which may create a severe vibration/balancing issue if it were to be installed into your Auto and/or Motorcycle tires. Furthermore, the ATV product is designed to seal larger punctures in off-road only tires.
It sounds like the ATV product is thicker than I imagined from the description. and the product compare page is blank for me (no compares, downloads) http://www.ride-on.com/product-comparison.html (http://www.ride-on.com/product-comparison.html)
I still think it will be OK to use as long as you don't put too much in for the tire size, as that would make balance problems worse.
Moderate riding style should minimize balance problems caused by too much product, problems that I might exacerbate with my full throttle off every line style with too much stuff moving around in the tire.
Edit- Could be the opposite, without Trying I can't know - yet.
Specifically, I would ask what changed to the ATV formula since the ATV/MOTOCROSS video was released.
-That last Q might get you a discount on the proper formula... Wortha try.
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It is already on the motorcycle... will see how it handles and if it vibrates... hopefully not ... if it does.. Ill have to remove it from the tires. I will have to add it to the tire of the HD... it is already in the back tire (run out of product after putting it in the Zero first ), I have another bottle (ATV version) will add it to the front of the HD to have both tire with it.
Not sure If I will put it on the 3rd motorcycle..a HD... but I might do it... both motorcycles have over 7K miles on the tires.. and if something happens.. I rather have something to seal the puncture...
Im not concerned on how to repair the tire (plugs, repair kits...) I'm concern on having a problem and loosing control of the motorcycle due to a puncture... I hope this product works / helps as stated.
I been riding for only 5 years... and luckily no tire punctures or leaks.. will like to keep it that way.
I found both Zero tires sizes on the Ride-on website and put the amount that was recommended plus 25% for extreme conditions... it said that the 25% is also recommended to self balance the tire, and remove weights. Correct?
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I have had punctures on tubeless tires before and it is not much of an issue. They leak slowly and the handling just gets kind of strange as the tire pressure goes down to about 20 psi. You can tell when something is wrong and most of the time leaving the nail (or whatever) in place and just pumping up the tire will get you home where you can do a proper repair.
Much better than getting a puncture on a tube-type (spoked wheel) tire. Those go flat quickly and can lead to sudden instability. Better get off the road quickly and hope that you can repair the leak - which I can't as I don't carry enough tools to get the wheel off the bike, break the bead, remove the tube, patch or replace the tube and get everything back together again. That is why I just love tubeless tires mounted on cast wheels. :)
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OK.. it is in all motorcycle tires... will see what happens... hopefully will be in there for several years until I have to replace a tire due to wear... and a lot of fun rides.
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> Much better than getting a puncture on a tube-type (spoked wheel) tire. Those go flat quickly and can lead to sudden instability. Better get off the road quickly ...
I had hat happen on a tubeless tire once... but it was the valve stem.
Center median on I-880 by San Leandro. Was interesting.
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hopefully will be in there for several years until I have to replace a tire due to wear... and a lot of fun rides.
Sounds like a bit of a contradiction.
I can see that using this product makes more sense when tires last so long.
I'm a commuter rider & I average close to 2 sets of tires/year.
On my ICE bike, I change tires more frequently then oil.
I've had a couple of incidents where the tire was slashed and this product wouldn't help on those.
When I picked up my used DSR back in May, the first thing I did was install a Fobo TPM....
https://my-fobo.com/
3.5k miles later im quite pleased with it.
I recommend everyone use some sort of a TPM system.
I can't imagine these products could not be harmless to sensors but maybe I'm wrong.
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RE Tire pressure sensors, it was only the motorcycle version that was safe for the sensors, and only the hermetically sealed type, they do list some bike models that have the unsealed type that it can't be used with.
not sure what aftermarket ones are what type, might need to email the TPMS company and ride-on to be sure.
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hopefully will be in there for several years until I have to replace a tire due to wear... and a lot of fun rides.
Sounds like a bit of a contradiction.
I can see that using this product makes more sense when tires last so long.
I'm a commuter rider & I average close to 2 sets of tires/year.
On my ICE bike, I change tires more frequently then oil.
I've had a couple of incidents where the tire was slashed and this product wouldn't help on those.
When I picked up my used DSR back in May, the first thing I did was install a Fobo TPM....
https://my-fobo.com/
3.5k miles later im quite pleased with it.
I recommend everyone use some sort of a TPM system.
I can't imagine these products could not be harmless to sensors but maybe I'm wrong.
Quite the opposite here.. I bought my first ICE bike 5 years ago... had only put 7K miles on it... I have factory tires in all, my other ICE motorcycle has 8K on it and the Zero 600 miles... bought it 2 month ago. So for my riding style... it should be OK.
Plus now with 3 motorcycles.. I thought about selling one, but trade in prices and used motorcycle prices are so low... I might get 60% (at best) of what i paid for the motorcycle, but nothing for the upgrades, so I don't see the point of just selling it, if I don't get a fair amount for it... I rather keep it, and take turns riding them.
So now mileage (ridden) on each will be even less per year.
Thank you for the advise.