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Title: Electric Motorcycle STUNTS
Post by: Shahin on April 02, 2018, 10:31:26 PM
I recently tested the 2017 Zero SR, and as a stunt rider, it was only natural that I push some limits and debunk some rumors.  ;)

Personally, I'm hooked and I think the capabilities of the electric motorcycle are not fully realized by the motorcycle community in whole.

I'm interested in getting some feedback.

Thoughts, questions!

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Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle Stunts
Post by: DPsSRnSD on April 02, 2018, 11:11:16 PM
Would love to see the video!
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle Stunts
Post by: jmeperu on April 02, 2018, 11:22:18 PM
how is popping the front end up at low speed without a clutch?
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle Stunts
Post by: dv8sean on April 02, 2018, 11:36:11 PM
Looks like you had no trouble figuring out how to turn off the ABS!
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle Stunts
Post by: Shahin on April 02, 2018, 11:46:02 PM
Popping the front end up at this point is a combination of an aggressive throttle snap (custom mode) and shifting my weight backward with the use of the passenger peg.

Video: https://youtu.be/fBi22TwflfA
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle Stunts
Post by: MrDude_1 on April 03, 2018, 12:20:44 AM
how is popping the front end up at low speed without a clutch?

annoying.
You can back the fork rebound off, but you have to be super aggressive with your body weight.
Its not a quick snap up at low speed like you can do with a clutch.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle Stunts
Post by: Shahin on April 03, 2018, 01:08:44 AM
Looks like you had no trouble figuring out how to turn off the ABS!

A must!  :D
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle Stunts
Post by: Doug S on April 03, 2018, 01:24:54 AM
I've never really been into that scene, or supercross or any of the "alternative" riding styles for that matter, but I'd love to see the capabilities of the eBikes pushed as hard as possible in all directions. Not only to see what they're capable of at the outer edges, but also to help shed the "two-wheeled golf cart" reputation. Show everybody that these bikes are not only the ultimate commuting solution, they're fully capable and competitive machines in every way.

I love the Isle of Man TT Zero race, but eBikes will have really arrived when the TT Zero goes away. That'll mean the eBikes don't need their own underclass, but can compete in -- and eventually take over -- the main event.

I don't think that day is all that far off. EVs are already competitive and even winning the Pike's Peak hill climb outright, and Lightning won outright a few years back in the motorcycle division, almost breaking the all-time motorcycle record. Sure, Pike's Peak is a lot shorter race, but range is just a matter of time.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle Stunts
Post by: BamBam on April 03, 2018, 03:05:35 AM
Good to see the rear fender clears without scraping.  Now teach me, please.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle Stunts
Post by: Shahin on April 03, 2018, 10:43:37 PM
I've never really been into that scene, or supercross or any of the "alternative" riding styles for that matter, but I'd love to see the capabilities of the eBikes pushed as hard as possible in all directions. Not only to see what they're capable of at the outer edges, but also to help shed the "two-wheeled golf cart" reputation. Show everybody that these bikes are not only the ultimate commuting solution, they're fully capable and competitive machines in every way.

I love the Isle of Man TT Zero race, but eBikes will have really arrived when the TT Zero goes away. That'll mean the eBikes don't need their own underclass, but can compete in -- and eventually take over -- the main event.

I don't think that day is all that far off. EVs are already competitive and even winning the Pike's Peak hill climb outright, and Lightning won outright a few years back in the motorcycle division, almost breaking the all-time motorcycle record. Sure, Pike's Peak is a lot shorter race, but range is just a matter of time.

Definitely, pushing this bike to do wheelies and other stunts was a challenge but like you said, fully capable.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle Stunts
Post by: Shahin on April 03, 2018, 10:48:49 PM
Good to see the rear fender clears without scraping.  Now teach me, please.

It cleared pretty well but if the plate was on it would be toast. Class is in session :)
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle STUNTS
Post by: Shadow on April 05, 2018, 06:32:29 AM
I'm interested in seeing more stunt riding on electrics. KTM had a promotional video shot for the Freeride-E and was about the most I've seen yet.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle STUNTS
Post by: gyrocyclist on April 06, 2018, 05:45:18 AM
I recently tested the 2017 Zero SR, and as a stunt rider, it was only natural that I push some limits and debunk some rumors.  ;)

Personally, I'm hooked and I think the capabilities of the electric motorcycle are not fully realized by the motorcycle community in whole.

I'm interested in getting some feedback.

Thoughts, questions!
 
How do you learn to do that stuph .. without lots of falls and broken bones?

Hm; I always tell people you can't do a wheelie on an SR due to the weight distribution. Guess I'll have to rethink! But nothing that I'd ever try -- its *way* outside my skill-set.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle STUNTS
Post by: gyrocyclist on April 06, 2018, 05:49:37 AM
I recently tested the 2017 Zero SR, and as a stunt rider, it was only natural that I push some limits and debunk some rumors.  ;)

Personally, I'm hooked and I think the capabilities of the electric motorcycle are not fully realized by the motorcycle community in whole.

I'm interested in getting some feedback.

Thoughts, questions!
Also, the burning rubber thing (I'm sure it has a name): PLEASE STOP DOING THAT!  There's no need to add to air pollution .. and it's just not cool. Peace.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle STUNTS
Post by: MrDude_1 on April 06, 2018, 08:43:43 PM
I recently tested the 2017 Zero SR, and as a stunt rider, it was only natural that I push some limits and debunk some rumors.  ;)

Personally, I'm hooked and I think the capabilities of the electric motorcycle are not fully realized by the motorcycle community in whole.

I'm interested in getting some feedback.

Thoughts, questions!
Also, the burning rubber thing (I'm sure it has a name): PLEASE STOP DOING THAT!  There's no need to add to air pollution .. and it's just not cool. Peace.
on the flip side of this... if it gets more people to ride electrics and view them as cool.... sure. do it.
because moving two people from ICE to EV will create less pollution than the burnout(thats its name) will.
Not to mention, while annoying, the smell and particles do settle out of the air pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle STUNTS
Post by: hubert on April 06, 2018, 11:30:30 PM
Never understood what's cool with a burnout. These tires wear out quickly enough while "normal" riding and are not so cheap, so...? We have no smoking pipes, why should we have smoking tires!
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle STUNTS
Post by: MrDude_1 on April 06, 2018, 11:46:56 PM
Never understood what's cool with a burnout. These tires wear out quickly enough while "normal" riding and are not so cheap, so...? We have no smoking pipes, why should we have smoking tires!

nothing. There is nothing cool about burnouts, loud pipes, or driving recklessly.

Except, at times, to immature people, its fun to do.
If you want mainstream support, you have to deal with the fact that you will have mainstream people. People are stupid. Stupid people buy motorcycles too. I know you dont care about the opinions of stupid people, however....You want those stupid people to buy electric bikes so that they become mainstream.
Just think of them as a cheap source for donor parts.

Burnouts are common because they are easy. They require almost no skill, and they're often done by people that ride such few miles per year that it has no effect on their tire life. You can be the old man yelling at the cloud.. or you can shut up, let the kids have fun, and they wont think its a dorkmobile.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle STUNTS
Post by: Shahin on April 07, 2018, 05:09:09 AM
I recently tested the 2017 Zero SR, and as a stunt rider, it was only natural that I push some limits and debunk some rumors.  ;)

Personally, I'm hooked and I think the capabilities of the electric motorcycle are not fully realized by the motorcycle community in whole.

I'm interested in getting some feedback.

Thoughts, questions!
Also, the burning rubber thing (I'm sure it has a name): PLEASE STOP DOING THAT!  There's no need to add to air pollution .. and it's just not cool. Peace.
on the flip side of this... if it gets more people to ride electrics and view them as cool.... sure. do it.
because moving two people from ICE to EV will create less pollution than the burnout(thats its name) will.
Not to mention, while annoying, the smell and particles do settle out of the air pretty quickly.


So actually on a typical stunt bike, we use a hard compound tire which in turn produces much less smoke in addition to lasting longer. You guys definitely have a good point though, I will keep it in mind.
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle STUNTS
Post by: mguw on April 12, 2018, 03:55:26 AM
Hi,

The FX does wheel much easier.   The torque curve on the SR  has been smoothed.

A short video we shot with my son and his freeride

https://youtu.be/r9V8XE12xjk
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle STUNTS
Post by: Specta on April 12, 2018, 05:19:07 PM
Nice video, are you from Toulouse area ?

How different are the KTM and the FX
? Can you film a drag race between the two ?
Title: Re: Electric Motorcycle STUNTS
Post by: mguw on April 12, 2018, 11:52:01 PM
Yes South of Toulouse

The FX is much more street worthy and the ktm more dirt, but this you probably figured out by your self.

The drag race is wheel on wheel until 60and then the  fx flies avay

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