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[PL3]

2021 models, any clues yet?

[Richard230]

2021 models, any clues yet?

Not to my knowledge.  Zero usually announces the next year's models sometime in October. But this year, who knows?

[Auriga]

No announcements yet, but this got posted may give some clues:
https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/zero-files-dsr-x-and-fxe-trademarks.html

[EDoggN]

I'm pumped to see what Zero has to offer in 2021.  I'm selling my gas bike now. Choosing between the Zero SR/S and Livewire.  I'll probably get the Livewire if they add L2 charging in 2021. After reading this forum it looks like Zero may have a problem with rain proofing??? Hopefully this isn't a wide spread issue.

[DonTom]

I'm pumped to see what Zero has to offer in 2021.  I'm selling my gas bike now. Choosing between the Zero SR/S and Livewire.  I'll probably get the Livewire if they add L2 charging in 2021. After reading this forum it looks like Zero may have a problem with rain proofing??? Hopefully this isn't a wide spread issue.

Any forum will show countless issues on any model bike. So spend equal time in the LW forum before making such a decision based on reliability.

If it were my choice, I would take the SR/S even if it were the same price as the LW.

However, if CCS or J1772 is more common where you ride should greatly influence such a decision.

For an example, L2 is better where I ride in this area of NV. CCS is better where I ride in CA.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Crissa]

There's really only the one CCS here in Santa Cruz, but there's lots of J-plugs.

Really depends on what you need.  CCS is clearly the future.

-Crissa

[DonTom]

There's really only the one CCS here in Santa Cruz, but there's lots of J-plugs.

Really depends on what you need.  CCS is clearly the future.

-Crissa

You now have three,  according to Plugshare. You have the new one at 701 Ocean St, Santa Cruz CA 95060 and the other two  at 911 Soquel Ave, Santa Cruz, CA 95062. But if one lives in Santa Cruz, they will be as useless as the ones I have a few miles away from home in both Reno as well as Auburn. But it looks like you're in a fairly decent area for well spaced out CCS chargers. Also, CCS vehicles can also use J1772, just takes a lot longer at 3 KW than it does at 25 KW!

Even my SS9-  could make it from Santa Cruz on Hwy 1 to the CCS charger in Pacifica.  You have more than enough CCS stations in your  area. BTW, the two digit number on the left side of the location on Plugshare shows you the past reliability  of the charger from 1 to 10. The one in Pacifica is rated as  a 10, so there isn't much chance of it having a problem when you get up there. It has no negative check-ins since Jan of 2019. And even that looks like operator or vehicle error  because it worked fine just before as well as after that.

So you can buy an Energica and take a ride up to visit Richard's place!

Looks like you can go almost anywhere from Santa Cruz with CCS, even with a SS9-.  The Hwy 1 is the longest shot and you can even make that.  But barely. To do it in comfort, you may wanna get a short J charge before you get into Pacifica if you're low but you should be able to make it anyway as Hwy 1 usually has a lot of places well under the speed limit. It's only 65 miles on Hwy 1 to the CCS station in Pacifica.

You could make it with juice left over with a SS9+.

IMO, Santa Cruz looks like a great place to have CCS.  You could even make it here to Reno from there with all CCS chargers. That would even be easier, as more chargers on the other routes. Hwy 1 north is your worse case and you can even make that on a SS9- as long as you don't speed.

You're in a better location for CCS than here in Reno, by far. We're loaded with Jplugs in this area, not so well with CCS. All the CCS chargers here in Reno are meaningless. Too close to home to be useful. I still cannot get to SusuanVille, Salt Lake City or Bridgeport from here with CCS charging. You can go just about anywhere from there with CCS.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[JaimeC]

Hey, don't forget the Energicas!  The LW only gives you Level1 or DCFC.  Zero only gives you Level1 or Level2.  Energica is the ONLY one that offers ALL THREE.

Only downside (if that matters to you) is that unlike Zero or Harley Davidson, Energica is not an American-based company.  I MIGHT have an Energica IF there were a more convenient dealership but the closest one is too far away to be practical.

[Richard230]

There is a CCS in Pacifica? That was news to me.  Where is it?  Unfortunately much of Highway 1 is closed right now between Pescadero and Santa Cruz due to the ongoing fire in the Santa Cruz Mountains, which had extended west as far as the highway at some locations.

[DonTom]

There is a CCS in Pacifica? That was news to me.  Where is it?  Unfortunately much of Highway 1 is closed right now between Pescadero and Santa Cruz due to the ongoing fire in the Santa Cruz Mountains, which had extended west as far as the highway at some locations.

1227 Linda Mar Shopping Center, Pacifica, CA, 94044, Behind the Ross, by the Bank of America.

See here.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[DonTom]

Hey, don't forget the Energicas!  The LW only gives you Level1 or DCFC.  Zero only gives you Level1 or Level2.  Energica is the ONLY one that offers ALL THREE.

Only downside (if that matters to you) is that unlike Zero or Harley Davidson, Energica is not an American-based company.  I MIGHT have an Energica IF there were a more convenient dealership but the closest one is too far away to be practical.

And the LW is slower charging on CCS. IIRC, it averages around 12 KW charging, the Energica about twice that speed on CCS.

And don't forget about the very handy reverse (and slow forward, less than 2 MPH at WOT) on the Energicas.

 Your closest Energica dealer is at:

Hudson Valley Motorcycles
179 N. Highland Avenue – Ossining, NY 10562

How far is that from you?

Edit:That is only 50 miles from you. I just checked.

For the list of Energica dealers, see here. 

-Don-  Reno, NV

[JaimeC]

Hey, don't forget the Energicas!  The LW only gives you Level1 or DCFC.  Zero only gives you Level1 or Level2.  Energica is the ONLY one that offers ALL THREE.

Only downside (if that matters to you) is that unlike Zero or Harley Davidson, Energica is not an American-based company.  I MIGHT have an Energica IF there were a more convenient dealership but the closest one is too far away to be practical.

And the LW is slower charging on CCS. IIRC, it averages around 12 KW charging, the Energica about twice that speed on CCS.

And don't forget about the very handy reverse (and slow forward, less than 2 MPH at WOT) on the Energicas.

 Your closest Energica dealer is at:

Hudson Valley Motorcycles
179 N. Highland Avenue – Ossining, NY 10562

How far is that from you?

Edit:That is only 50 miles from you. I just checked.

For the list of Energica dealers, see here. 

-Don-  Reno, NV

Thanks.  I'm aware of where they are located.  Before COVID19 I had planned on taking a trip up there but it really isn't as practical for me.  There are TWO Zero dealerships that are far closer to me and neither one requires paying a toll to get there.

[MVetter]

There's really only the one CCS here in Santa Cruz, but there's lots of J-plugs.

Definitely 2 sets of EVgo stations. One is outside a Lucky, the other is at Whole Foods. There's also a ChargePoint DC charger being installed here: https://www.plugshare.com/location/85367

[Crissa]

Hwy 1 is closed in three places today, only one in Santa Cruz: Swanton to Ano Nuevo.

I got to go home last night.

And the plugs at the courthouse aren't for public consumption, that I know of. So there's still only ones out at the While Foods.  Not exactly convenient to meeting people in town yet.

And I have had to use J-plugs downtown many times!  Like when I can't charge because of wildfires.

I got to go home last night, tho.  Sounds like about a thousand families lost their homes, tho.

-Crissa

-Crissa

[DonTom]

And the plugs at the courthouse aren't for public consumption,

What makes you assume that? It looks like it is open to everybody on Plugshare and the new ChargePoint should be now working, even though no check-ins yet.

It looks like an unmentioned new ChargePoint  J-station is there also. I see a Zero charging there in the last photo, but no check-in. Looks like they have done a lot of work on the chargers there this month and PlugShare should be updated. Perhaps you should take a ride there (when the smoke clears!) and report if there is a J-1772 there now and report it to the site so they can update their new info.

I do that for this area and many other areas  for questionable charge locations.

BTW, here in Reno it is still very smoky.

-Don- Reno, NV