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[FrankF87]

Energica is out of business, Mission, Brammo, Motoczysz, Alta, Cake, Fuell are gone - Damon most likely is not going to survive, LiveWire is losing over $100m a year, Zero has gone through over $600m - so there is that too. The electric motorcycle business is not easy. I guess you have to do what you have to do to survive in a tough market. Whatever - good for them.

[Motoproponent]

Maybe they'll lean into the fact that they are a small boutique maker of bespoke electric motorcycles and drop the charade that they are a volume company that has sold hundreds of bikes since 2016 and holder of several production electric motorcycle records.

[FrankF87]

Agree with you. Definitely a small boutique electric builder but I haven't seen claims of high volume but seen low volume and as you said record holder at events like Pike Peak. I watch them for innovation from a very small builder. Electrics are a tough segment especially with the whole motorcycle industry struggling. H-D and KTM having serious challenges.

[Motoproponent]

I would genuinely be a fan if it didn't seem like every owner has to sign an NDA.

When people ask in public forums about whether the bikes are weather tight and can be ridden rain or shine, the response is always "Lightning is a high performance machine and it'd dangerous to ride such a high power bike in conditions of compromised traction". Never yes they are weatherproof or no they are not weatherproof.

[Specter]

translation we dont have any power mapping, just balls to the wall when you twist the throttle..  hope yer good!!

Aaron

[MVetter]

Except that it routinely cuts out on the highway and you have to reboot the bike by ripping off your left glove and pressing the hard reset button deep into the left fairing cowlings near the headlight

[Specter]

oh would that suck!
Dangerous as hell too when people behind you in traffic, you slowing down due to power loss, and with cpu locked up, are not going to get the flashing brake warning that you are coming down.
accidentally hitting the kill switch is... annoying and embarrassing ,but man a hard reset.  put an extended push bar on it and move it out so you can reach it while going or something, good god.

All bullshit aside though.  Has this and other stuff been finally fixed?

Right now, lets say I won a lottery and wanted to buy the company, or fully fund them or whatever....
this point in time right now...  how close are they to having a bike that is street ready?  All the bugs and bullshit worked out, so the bike is safe reliable, and ridable.  Lets say, to the point that a normal Energica bike currently is, or a Zero... with their development.??

They are giving vague verbs and such, and being deceptive.  How about a hard fact check. What is left for you to tackle to get a product on the shelf for a normal person to buy with normal expectations?

Aaron

[MVetter]

who the fuck cares

[Specter]

well, if they are supposedly  looking to get back into the business, so to say, it'd be nice to get some sort of update on what they been up to and how far along the path they are to actually being viable.  These issues are known, have they been fixed?

you keep screaming they are a scam, well if so, then zero progress towards fixing known issues gives you more fodder to use, so you should care.   if they have made progress, then it'd be nice to let potential investors know.

Aaron

[MVetter]

You have to remember that Hatfield is a narcissistic bully. Deny. Deflect. Threaten. That's his playbook. He'll never change.

[Richard230]

Get your LS-218 while they are still available and before they all sell out.    Attached is an ad that was on the wall of the Lightening display at the 2014 NDEW show.

[Specter]

They claim the thing will travel 100 miles at full speed at one charge ?
what's the max speed of this thing 75 mph?
so 200 hp and only reach 75?

if the thing can do 175... which an Energica can easily reach, then there is no fucking way you are getting 100 miles per battery at that full speed.  Hell my Ribelle before i tricked it, would only get about 40 to 50 miles WOT at 125 mph., before the battery was gone.  Things would get a bit toasty too.   When i get the ego back from the repair shop, ill try to do a 20 ish mile romp at 150 ish one quiet sunday for comparison, but honestly, am not expecting much more than maybe 30 miles.  Those speeds take horrendous power to maintain due to wind drag, even crouched, and no it's not a comfortable ride.   at 160 everything is trying to kill you.  The wind is trying to rip you off the bike, bugs feel like bullets, potholes can be a death sentence, you get some crappy pavement and your front end wants to start dancing... the list goes on.

But i guess you  can't get sued for false advertisement if you never put a bike out to underperform your claims with.

Aaron

[Richard230]

Lightning claimed that the LS-218 could reach 218 mph - at least at the Bonneville Salt Flats. Your experience might vary. 

[MVetter]

You mean a custom purpose-built bike with streamlining entered into the Special Construction Partially Streamlined (APS-O) category that has no relation to the Production (P-O) category? That bike that displayed 218 mph from GoPro footage but the measured record was 215 mph? That bike?

[Specter]

A 5 can easily look like an 8 due to ocular strain caused by the blue shift induced by the acceleration.  What you seen was a mere temporal anomaly where it was momentarily looking into the future.  Those 1.21 jiggawatt batteries are no joke yanno!!   Cut them some slack already.

So, at 218 miles an hour, full speed..... the bike can go 100 miles on a charge.... impressive!!

Aaron