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[protomech]

RideApart is wrong. Terra claims 200 km.

[Mike Werner]

The Kiwami is mentioned at the end of this article discussing Indian motorcycles by Ride Apart.  In this article they say the bike has a range of 200 miles  :O and costs $18,000.  :confused:

http://rideapart.com/2014/01/why-your-next-bike-may-come-from-india/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HellForLeather+%28Hell+For+Leather%29

If the Kiwami is using Zero's new Z-force motor than I could really believe that it is a re-badged Zero, otherwise it might be just a collection of Zero parts bought off-the-shelf from their Asian manufacturers.   

Tim obviously forgot that the range was in Kms, or a type. In the mean time, I've reached out to Zero to get an answer. Will post here when the reply...

[Justin Andrews]

http://www.terra-motors.com/kiwami/

Looking at some of the pictures on the Features page I think I can see the cooling fins of the Z-force motor.

[Richard230]

http://www.terra-motors.com/kiwami/

Looking at some of the pictures on the Features page I think I can see the cooling fins of the Z-force motor.

They quote a motor "capacity" of 10 kW.  Isn't the Z-force motor a lot more powerful than that?  The Zero spec sheet says 40 kW.  Very curious. 

[protomech]

Some possibilities:

1. Terra Motors is wrong about the motor power. Likely, if they're using Zero's motor.
2. Terra Motors is wrong about the top speed and "liter-bike acceleration". I assume they're wrong about the latter in any case, but rather mean that it has liter-bike motor torque.
3. Terra is quoting motor continuous power, and peak power is closer to 30+ kW to meet their performance claims.

Most likely explanation IMO is that they're using Zero's 40 kW motor and their power spec is just wrong.

[NoiseBoy]

Or in the article when they say 10kw motor power they actually mean 10kwh battery capacity?

[Richard230]

My latest guess is that Zero has partnered with Terra Motors to distribute their motorcycles within Asian companies, with Terra Motors performing a little styling update so that the bikes don't look so much like U.S. and Euro Zeros.  I doubt that Zero wants to have to deal with all of the various Asian countries, such as India, and the complexities of selling, distributing and servicing vehicles in that part of the world.  It would be a lot easier to just sell the bikes to Terra and let them set up a distribution network and deal with each country's DMV regulations.

Liveforphysics has just confirmed on elmoto that the bike is a restyled Zero, based upon looking at the photos.

[frodus]

All this speculation and spec vomit make me think about the TTXGP bench racing we do

[Richard230]

All this speculation and spec vomit make me think about the TTXGP bench racing we do

It is still nothing like an "oil thread" on an IC forum.   

[frodus]

All this speculation and spec vomit make me think about the TTXGP bench racing we do

It is still nothing like an "oil thread" on an IC forum.   

It could!
I've got an Empulse

[WindRider]

Frodus:  what is the best oil for your empluse?   

Sorry, could not resist.... resume the speculations.

[frodus]

Synthetic 10W-30 API GL-1 Motorcycle oil (wet clutch approved)

[Justin Andrews]

"And then the gearbox vrs no gearbox debate broke out again..."

[Richard230]

"And then the gearbox vrs no gearbox debate broke out again..."

On elmoto gearboxes are no longer permitted to be discussed due to concussions caused by people hitting their heads against the wall every time the subject comes up.   

[BSDThw]

The 10KW maybe has an easy explanation.

I don't know how it is in Japan (maybe Electric Cowboy knows) but in Europe the bike are like this (from Zeros Homepage)

There are different licencing criteria for electric motorcycles in the EU. The main difference is that, unlike internal combustion engine (ICE, or petrol engine) motorcycles which are rated on max power, electric motorcycles are rated and homologated on continuous power.

Therefore my 2012 DS has 9KW in the papers but 21KW Peak