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[Richard230]

Energica has opened its first U.S. retail store in San Francisco. You can read more here:
http://cleanrider.com/energica-opens-its-first-us-showroom/

[ultrarnr]

And maybe someday Energica will realize that there is more to the United States of America than the state of California but I am not going to hold my breath waiting. Would love to check out the Eva and Ego but not willing to fly cross country to do it.

[Richard230]

The Energica dual were up at Alice's yesterday attending the monthly Zero luncheon.  They said they are not selling bikes to customers yet as they still do not have their state retail license and also don't have any production models available to sell so far due to slow initial production at the factory.  However one of their staff did give me a really beautiful 50-page, coffee-table-size, full-color brochure for the Energica models, which I read cover-to-cover last night.

Beautiful bikes, with a lot of interesting feature, one of which caught my eye:  They appear to be using the Vectrix-type throttle, which has a neutral position for coasting, then when you turn it past closed it activates the bike's regen (not sure if the regen is variable using the feature).  Then when stopped, by selecting a button on the dash screen, you can enter a program that will allow the bike to creep forward or in reverse to back you slowly out of a parking spot.  That is a really handy feature when you are riding a heavy bike and happen to live in a hilly congested city like San Francisco.  It also (no doubt) sounds kind of familiar to Vectrix owners.   

[benswing]

Beautiful bikes, with a lot of interesting feature, one of which caught my eye:  They appear to be using the Vectrix-type throttle, which has a neutral position for coasting, then when you turn it past closed it activates the bike's regen (not sure if the regen is variable using the feature).  Then when stopped, by selecting a button on the dash screen, you can enter a program that will allow the bike to creep forward or in reverse to back you slowly out of a parking spot.  That is a really handy feature when you are riding a heavy bike and happen to live in a hilly congested city like San Francisco.  It also (no doubt) sounds kind of familiar to Vectrix owners.   

The throttle is not exactly Vectrix style.  Both Energica bikes have regenerative braking but it is more like Zero (except more sensitive and variable). There is no rolling the throttle forward from a neutral position. 

They do have reverse but not by rolling the throttle forward, which was how my Vectrix worked.

Took a test ride last month and rode both the Eva and Ego.  Planning an article when my trip videos are finished.


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[Richard230]

Beautiful bikes, with a lot of interesting feature, one of which caught my eye:  They appear to be using the Vectrix-type throttle, which has a neutral position for coasting, then when you turn it past closed it activates the bike's regen (not sure if the regen is variable using the feature).  Then when stopped, by selecting a button on the dash screen, you can enter a program that will allow the bike to creep forward or in reverse to back you slowly out of a parking spot.  That is a really handy feature when you are riding a heavy bike and happen to live in a hilly congested city like San Francisco.  It also (no doubt) sounds kind of familiar to Vectrix owners.   

The throttle is not exactly Vectrix style.  Both Energica bikes have regenerative braking but it is more like Zero (except more sensitive and variable). There is no rolling the throttle forward from a neutral position. 

They do have reverse but not by rolling the throttle forward, which was how my Vectrix worked.

Took a test ride last month and rode both the Eva and Ego.  Planning an article when my trip videos are finished.


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Here is what the Energica brochure says on page 19:  "During deceleration, depending on the speed you are driving, the rider will find a small window where the vehicle can coast in neutral and the remaining percentage of rotation can adjust the regenerative braking torque.  The more the rider closes the throttle, the more engine braking."

On the following page the "Park Assistant" is described as follows: 'Energica Ego is also equipped with a "PARK ASSISTANT" in order to facilitate parking and maneuvers on slopes or into rush traffic. The VCU limits both the speed and the torque of the vehicle.  The PARK ASSISTANT works back and forth (reverse mode) with maximum speed 1.74 Miles/hour (mph) and maximum torque 50Nm. Push the "START" for 2 seconds to enter the "PARK ASSISTANT" MODE.  Further quick push of "START" button, will switch from forward to reverse mode to assist in tough maneuvers and if stuck in the middle of traffic.'

[benswing]

The "small window" they mention is not a hands off neutral (like Vectrix).  It is like the small window neutral on Zero's. 

Thanks for the wording.


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[Richard230]

The December issue of the San Francisco free publication, Shitty Bike, contains a (confusing and cryptic to me) Energica ad on page 5 stating: "Don't miss the date!", "CES 2017, Jan 5-8, 3D Printing Area, Sands Expo Level 2 Halls A-D Booth 42909". It shows an Evo leaned over into a corner in a picture included with the ad.  (Naturally, I have no idea what CES" is, what the ad is trying tell me, or where the Sands Expo is located.) 

[clay.leihy]

The December issue of the San Francisco free publication, Shitty Bike, contains a (confusing and cryptic to me) Energica ad on page 5 stating: "Don't miss the date!", "CES 2017, Jan 5-8, 3D Printing Area, Sands Expo Level 2 Halls A-D Booth 42909". It shows an Evo leaned over into a corner in a picture included with the ad.  (Naturally, I have no idea what CES" is, what the ad is trying tell me, or where the Sands Expo is located.) 

You're obviously not some kind of tech geek nor involved in consumer products or marketing, don't watch the news and prolly don't get out much (except to ride!) But you're in San Francisco? The only way that would be less believable is if you said you were in Seattle.  <gdr>

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[Richard230]

The December issue of the San Francisco free publication, Shitty Bike, contains a (confusing and cryptic to me) Energica ad on page 5 stating: "Don't miss the date!", "CES 2017, Jan 5-8, 3D Printing Area, Sands Expo Level 2 Halls A-D Booth 42909". It shows an Evo leaned over into a corner in a picture included with the ad.  (Naturally, I have no idea what CES" is, what the ad is trying tell me, or where the Sands Expo is located.) 

You're obviously not some kind of tech geek nor involved in consumer products or marketing, don't watch the news and prolly don't get out much (except to ride!) But you're in San Francisco? The only way that would be less believable is if you said you were in Seattle.  <gdr>

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Fortunately, I don't live in SF.  I will do anything to stay out of that city.  The place is almost impossible to get anywhere via a private vehicle, even a motorcycle.  I moved to the suburbs 65 years ago and am happy to be here and close to the Santa Cruz Mountains.  As far a tech stuff goes, I only use a cell phone for making phone calls, I can't seem to figure out how to "Google" anything and I am very happy that nothing has ever happened to my Zero since I wouldn't know what to do about it. 

[Shadow]

Consumer Electronics Show CES kind of the most hyped up annual tradeshow for manufacturers of electronics.

[Richard230]

Consumer Electronics Show CES kind of the most hyped up annual tradeshow for manufacturers of electronics.

I hadn't heard about the show, but I likely will when it happens and makes the local TV and radio news.  Probably because I very rarely buy a consumer electronic item - other than the occasional Zero.  A couple of years ago I purchased a flat-screen TV when I finally got tired of not seeing the sides of pictures on my 1976 (made in America) 4:3 RCA TV. It took me some time before I learned how to use its remote.  My old TV used a dial to change channels and a knob to change the sound level.  I figure if is electronic and is still working why get rid of it. 

[mousejstr]

The December issue of the San Francisco free publication, Shitty Bike, contains a (confusing and cryptic to me) Energica ad on page 5 stating: "Don't miss the date!", "CES 2017, Jan 5-8, 3D Printing Area, Sands Expo Level 2 Halls A-D Booth 42909". It shows an Evo leaned over into a corner in a picture included with the ad.  (Naturally, I have no idea what CES" is, what the ad is trying tell me, or where the Sands Expo is located.) 

The bike is really rock solid.. worth taking a look at.  You should take a train in and go talk to them.

I have a bunch of pictures as well if you just want to see the bike or know more.   I can probably answer any questions

[clay.leihy]

A couple of years ago I purchased a flat-screen TV when I finally got tired of not seeing the sides of pictures on my 1976 (made in America) 4:3 RCA TV.

At least you won't have to worry about your new TV becoming obsolete; it'll die long before that.

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[Richard230]

The December issue of the San Francisco free publication, Shitty Bike, contains a (confusing and cryptic to me) Energica ad on page 5 stating: "Don't miss the date!", "CES 2017, Jan 5-8, 3D Printing Area, Sands Expo Level 2 Halls A-D Booth 42909". It shows an Evo leaned over into a corner in a picture included with the ad.  (Naturally, I have no idea what CES" is, what the ad is trying tell me, or where the Sands Expo is located.) 

The bike is really rock solid.. worth taking a look at.  You should take a train in and go talk to them.

I have a bunch of pictures as well if you just want to see the bike or know more.   I can probably answer any questions

 

My problem with public transportation is that in order to get to SF, to visit my closest Zero or the Energica dealer, as an example, it takes a 3-mile walk to the bus station, a 45-minute ride to BART , a 30-minute ride into SF and another mile walk to either shop - or the CES show (I assume). And then the same amount of time to return home, plus whatever additional time it takes waiting for the bus and train to arrive.  You really have to want to see something or do something in SF to go to that amount of effort without riding or driving into the city and experience "Vision Zero".   

My other question is that I have never heard of the Sands Expo before.  Does anyone know where it is located?  The ad seemed to assume that everyone reading it would know where the place is located.  But I don't.   

[Richard230]

A couple of years ago I purchased a flat-screen TV when I finally got tired of not seeing the sides of pictures on my 1976 (made in America) 4:3 RCA TV.

At least you won't have to worry about your new TV becoming obsolete; it'll die long before that.

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Or fall over and break .  That thing is so light that I worry that the next earthquake cause it to fall over.  I didn't have to worry about that with my RCA.  It had road-hugging weight.  One nice thing about flat screen TV's is that their tops don't collect much dust.