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Author Topic: The Hydrogen Highway  (Read 9426 times)

Specter

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Re: The Hydrogen Highway
« Reply #105 on: December 16, 2023, 06:20:51 AM »

I really can not see them using Hydrogen to generate electricity, especially when they are using electricity to get the hydrogen in the first place, for the most part and the whole round trip is costly, energy wise.  I can't even see them using H2 as a storage medium for excess power production short term until the evening duck bill hits, or the cloudy week rolls in.  There are other ways to store energy that are much safer and cheaper.

Even then, power plants, shit leaks, if you ever worked at a gas fired plant, you smell it all over the place, it's the nature of the  beast.  Hydrogen is so FKN dangerous, ignites SO easy and you can't see the flames really when it burns, unlike NG where you can see the flame pretty easy.

Hydrogen needs special materials too, the molecule is so small it seeps out very easy AND it is very hard on steel / steel alloys.  They get brittle and wear out much faster.

Anytime I had to work on the H2 system, even for minor stuff like replacing a gauge or something, id always take the IR gun with me to check for fires before I touched a thing.  Nothing will wake you up in the morning faster than going to turn a lever to open up the cock for a pressure gauge and feeling the hair on your arm singe because there was a tiny leak and it ignited itself coming out that pinhole leak from the friction.  YES the stuff really is that unstable.

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Re: The Hydrogen Highway
« Reply #106 on: February 13, 2024, 04:37:05 AM »

Today we have more hydrogen highway news. This time it compares H2 busses with all electric busses. It would appear that the Santa Cruz bus transit plan is to go all in on H2 and just hope it works out. Page 1.
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Re: The Hydrogen Highway
« Reply #107 on: February 13, 2024, 04:37:39 AM »

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Re: The Hydrogen Highway
« Reply #108 on: February 13, 2024, 06:15:26 PM »

Well, for rapid turn around it would make a bit more sense, you can refill the H2 in about 15 minutes .vs. an hour or so to charge the battery.  Especially for a bus, which in theory, may be running 24 hours a day.  Going to be expensive though.  Why not just go with propane, or LNG which although is less energy dense, at least there's sort of an infrastructure there already.  A bus does not have to go  0 to 60 in 3.2 seconds.

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Re: The Hydrogen Highway
« Reply #109 on: February 14, 2024, 08:44:26 PM »

I can appreciate you scanning in the newspaper as opposed to posting a link with lots of advertising and who knows what else behind the scenes.  Page 2 is just too tiny in this instance.

https://techxplore.com/news/2024-02-california-mandating-emissions-bay-area.html
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Re: The Hydrogen Highway
« Reply #110 on: February 15, 2024, 04:12:17 AM »

I can appreciate you scanning in the newspaper as opposed to posting a link with lots of advertising and who knows what else behind the scenes.  Page 2 is just too tiny in this instance.

https://techxplore.com/news/2024-02-california-mandating-emissions-bay-area.html

That is odd. I don't have any problem reading page 2 and my eyesight sucks.  ???  Did you click on the picture to enlarge the thumbnail in my post?
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Re: The Hydrogen Highway
« Reply #111 on: February 15, 2024, 11:17:58 AM »

Yes I clicked on it, opened it in new window I did somelthing to download to my download folder as a 342kb file opened it in photos which is the default picture opening file.  it is about 830x635 pixels.  I guess now if I open it in paint and do zoom in it is readable but still better to type in the author and a few words in the title into seardh.



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Re: The Hydrogen Highway
« Reply #112 on: February 15, 2024, 11:47:42 AM »

I have been hearing and reading about fuel cell research for years.  Sure some of it was used during the manned moon missions but I am not thinking that far back.  Kind of local as in state level like what you post about state for you.  I have not heard about vehicles run on compressed air for quite a whild so things might be looking up.  If the green electricity and used it to pump water up and then used it to run a turbine to recharge batteries later how would that compare to the effeciency of this?  Are there any purity issues with hydrogen.  I think that is a problem with gasoline fuel cell.   Am I dreaming, something about a fuel cell Corvette (gasoline) that was when the dow index was around 7000.  Not sure about natural gas fuel cell there is one electricity generating fuel cell of that sort I have read about in this state.
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Re: The Hydrogen Highway
« Reply #113 on: February 15, 2024, 08:10:22 PM »

Yes I clicked on it, opened it in new window I did somelthing to download to my download folder as a 342kb file opened it in photos which is the default picture opening file.  it is about 830x635 pixels.  I guess now if I open it in paint and do zoom in it is readable but still better to type in the author and a few words in the title into seardh.



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From now on I will try to resize my article camera photos (I don't own a scanner) as close to the forum's 600kb limit as I can.
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