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Author Topic: Make a Zero run while charging  (Read 5005 times)

talon

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Re: Make a Zero run while charging
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2019, 04:35:15 AM »

I think another Zero motor, Sevcon controller, and 250cc+ motorcycle engine (essentially regenerating) would be the best way to do this for weight and compact design. The only generators that produce 6kw&+ that weigh little enough to be pulled by a Zero without increasing demand are crazy expensive and in use by the military to power UAVs. turbodiesel and high-altitude air-cooled. 3 Honda EU2200's would also approach this.

While it would be interesting to see, there are far better ways to make a hybrid bike and the equivalent mpg this would result in (40-60mpg) is kind of atrocious for the level of work involved.
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Re: Make a Zero run while charging
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2019, 08:06:09 PM »

While it would be interesting to see, there are far better ways to make a hybrid bike and the equivalent mpg this would result in (40-60mpg) is kind of atrocious for the level of work involved.

Agreed, it's a wild goose chase, but if nothing else it would shut up the "range anxiety" people for the occasional exceptional need. You could ride 500 miles to Aunt Mabel's house for thanksgiving, at least in theory.
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Re: Make a Zero run while charging
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2019, 07:03:08 PM »

How about a tail gator generator that runs the on board charger to charge one of the two bricks on a fx. 600w will take 5 hours for one brick. Now to make a zero fx run for five hours on one brick. I don’t think the epa would like a two stroke engine powering a electric hybrid ev.
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Re: Make a Zero run while charging
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2019, 02:08:31 PM »

What if you ran a generator with it's own controller that would directly charge a set of capacitors 1 at a time and auto switch recharging of capacitors. They may only run a short time but you would have phenomenal power, range would depend on the size of gas tank of the generator. Your capacitor refill time should be short as well. That way generator isnt charging the unit powering the bike.

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Re: Make a Zero run while charging
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2019, 02:11:53 PM »

If a generator ran for 10 hours on a gallon of gas, and you got 20 miles on each capacitor recharge that took 20 minutes to charge.. isnt that about 500-600 mpg?

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Re: Make a Zero run while charging
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2019, 02:13:35 PM »

And that would be at any speed you like as long as there is gas in the tank right?

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Re: Make a Zero run while charging
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2019, 07:02:42 PM »

The merits of ICE are wandering off-topic. For the purposes of discussion let's not dwell on the energy density of petrol...
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Re: Make a Zero run while charging
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2019, 08:20:27 PM »

The question has already been answered fully:

- Connecting to the controller DC lugs through a switching power supply would supply current to the bus while riding or not.

- You cannot charge the battery while riding without exceeding the current demand of the motor. (6kW for most practical purposes)

Anything else is pure speculation and deserves a new thread.
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Re: Make a Zero run while charging
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2019, 04:19:13 AM »

Just trying to help out. I'll leave it to you geniuses. Out.

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Re: Make a Zero run while charging
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2019, 05:14:45 AM »

It’s not about new comments, although I’d rather keep this thread dead.

The trouble is that everyone wants to make a hybrid, when even the OEMs can’t deliver that. Any attempt at it will be expensive and dangerous if not designed and implemented professionally.
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Re: Make a Zero run while charging
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2019, 04:10:08 AM »

How in professional is this idea. Why don’t we plug A/C current into the sevcon and make it charge the batteries. Would we need the make of it one phase into three or 120V too high already. There hasn’t be a way to make the sevcon regen on 120v 60hz. 100hz would be 6000rpm.
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Re: Make a Zero run while charging
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2019, 04:35:34 PM »

How in professional is this idea. Why don’t we plug A/C current into the sevcon and make it charge the batteries. Would we need the make of it one phase into three or 120V too high already. There hasn’t be a way to make the sevcon regen on 120v 60hz. 100hz would be 6000rpm.

Make a new thread for that. It’s off topic here.
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