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Author Topic: I'm looking (again) at Zero motorcycles -- is the company still viable?  (Read 1966 times)

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Re: I'm looking (again) at Zero motorcycles -- is the company still viable?
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2018, 12:13:15 AM »

A nice reply if you think you will ride your Zero in rotation. I have heard from several people who have ICE bikes and bought a Zero. The result? The Zero is such a blast to ride it ended up hogging 80% of their riding time with the poor ICE bikes being ridden for long trips.
Believe me, the thrill doesnt wear off and it is such a uniquely different experience, your other bikes will soon collect dust.
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Re: I'm looking (again) at Zero motorcycles -- is the company still viable?
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2018, 06:53:23 AM »

One easy question:  If I buy a Zero I will ride it (in rotation) with my 9 other motorcycles.  I ride 4-5 times a week, for about 50 miles each ride, which means I ride one of my bikes about twice a month.  The Zero would be ridden in the same manner.  So, given that I will never ride it more than 50 miles twice a month, can I charge it using a normal 110V line in the garage?  Does the line have to be a dedicated line?  What amp circuit breaker?  Keep in  mind that I won't be buying any super-fast charging option -- won't need it.
I see more than one easy question. :)  Yes, you can charge with any voltage from around 90 VAC to 250 VAC. The current will automatically drop as the voltage increases. Therefore charge time will be about the same. A higher AC  voltage is better to charge with, as that means less current and that means less heat and very slightly better efficiency but perhaps not enough to be concerned with. I  now charge mine with 240 VAC but I have used 120 VAC for more than a year. At 120 VAC expect it to draw around 13 amps for the single on-board charger at 120 VAC. Half that (6.5 amps) at 240 VAC.

Above is true for the Zero on-board chargers as well as for the Zero Quick Chargers.

So yeah, it's best to have a dedicated line on 120 VAC  but as long as the total current stays below 16 amps or so, you should be okay if you have  20 amp breakers. For a continuous or long term draw, you should be at least 20% below the rating of your circuit breaker. On 240 VAC, you can usually run several chargers. I run three (on board plus two Zero quick chargers)  when I charge at 240 VAC on a single line, but I have 60 amp AC circuits at my house for my Tesla which I convert to a J-plug for my Zero motorcycles.

FWIW, for my shorter rides, I ride my two Zeros more than all my other bikes  combined.

-Don-  Auburn, CA
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Re: I'm looking (again) at Zero motorcycles -- is the company still viable?
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2018, 07:02:23 AM »

A nice reply if you think you will ride your Zero in rotation. I have heard from several people who have ICE bikes and bought a Zero. The result? The Zero is such a blast to ride it ended up hogging 80% of their riding time with the poor ICE bikes being ridden for long trips.
Believe me, the thrill doesnt wear off and it is such a uniquely different experience, your other bikes will soon collect dust.
Yep, that's me who you just described. I own seven ICE bikes and two Zeros. My  ICE bikes are rarely used, but always for longer trips. The Zeros are used every day except for these rainy days like yesterday and today when I use a cage.

-Don-  Auburn, CA
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Re: I'm looking (again) at Zero motorcycles -- is the company still viable?
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2018, 11:33:09 PM »

This is a good question. I hate to say this, but have seen them cutting corners or pressuring dealers to make customers pay for things Zero should replace. No company would do this, unless you really have problems. If you need to be 100% sure, go for KTM or BMW.
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Re: I'm looking (again) at Zero motorcycles -- is the company still viable?
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2018, 12:37:23 AM »

KTM.  Right now, I wouldn't touch a BMW product with a ten foot pole...
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« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2018, 12:42:50 AM »

BMW Evo scooters have really good reviews (and seemingly lower maintenance costs than BMW ICE model) and a good second hand market. Did you have a bad experience ?
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Re: I'm looking (again) at Zero motorcycles -- is the company still viable?
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2018, 03:08:15 AM »

BMW Evo scooters have really good reviews (and seemingly lower maintenance costs than BMW ICE model) and a good second hand market. Did you have a bad experience ?

Rather than repeat myself:
http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?topic=8508.msg72087#msg72087
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Re: I'm looking (again) at Zero motorcycles -- is the company still viable?
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2018, 01:57:59 PM »

A nice reply if you think you will ride your Zero in rotation. I have heard from several people who have ICE bikes and bought a Zero. The result? The Zero is such a blast to ride it ended up hogging 80% of their riding time with the poor ICE bikes being ridden for long trips.
Believe me, the thrill doesnt wear off and it is such a uniquely different experience, your other bikes will soon collect dust.
Yep, that's me who you just described. I own seven ICE bikes and two Zeros. My  ICE bikes are rarely used, but always for longer trips. The Zeros are used every day except for these rainy days like yesterday and today when I use a cage.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

Another one checking in. Have two Ducatis (planning to sell them, but you know, that requires effort).

I have a slightly different version of this problem, though; I bought the 2017 SR and a 2019 Energica EVA, and now my Zero is getting maybe 10% of the riding time and the EVA gets 90%. The Ducatis literally haven't been ridden in two months.
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Re: I'm looking (again) at Zero motorcycles -- is the company still viable?
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2018, 12:21:00 AM »

In my case the Zero spends so much time in the dealership because of quality problems that I had to buy a replacement bike. Now it has been one months and i still have no new from Zero...
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Re: I'm looking (again) at Zero motorcycles -- is the company still viable?
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2018, 07:18:53 AM »

I'm no longer looking to buy a Zero.  This may change, of course, at some later date.  Thank you for your replies -- they are much appreciated.
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