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Me too.  Early SRF, new battery.  I've only ever got to 100% charging by using a 2 kW charger and leaving for a few days....  On fast or rapid chargers the charge rate falls down so much that a motorway stop is 2 hours not 45 mins.  I've learnt to dangerously empty the battery as I get full charge rate at low SOC's, but deciding when to leave needs constant monitoring.

Real miss here. Effectively can't use the bike to travel distance unless literally got all day. . For cruising distances, its worse than the old battery with its random SOC (Running out of power? take a  break, allow magic charging! )

Too add to my misery, my cellular doesn't work, the main use I have for it (apart from traceability) is to check charge status when I'm having coffee in comfort. I'm still working on this, but that's another story.

Pete

"intended use would be sunday drives"

In that case make sure you only need 90 miles max to allow for a buffer and prevent the anxiety of running out of juice.  If that is the mission, the Energica is second to none.

Track use may be limited.  many tracks forbid electric.  Check on that first if it really matters.  My local tracks do not allow Electric vehicles.

Exactly how I look at my Rebelle and my ICE bikes in the stable.  If the Rebelle can handle the mission, it is my go to bike, but if it is at all a marginal call in terms of range and possible charging station issues, the ICE gets the mission.

Was looking forward to tracking the rebelle this year but my home track does not allow electric.  Another reason one needs several bikes, ice and electric!

10 weeks ago I purchased a fully equipped BMW R1300GS for multi-day trips in the Swiss and French alps. While the chassis and electronic suspension of the R1300 is clearly superior to that of the SS9+RS (handling, response, damping, comfort) the drive-train of the SS9 is just so much better and more fun.

The R1300 with its 1300 ccm twin-cylinder boxer has more power (145 hp) and is considered a very high-torque bike (149 Nm). Still, the SS9 offers 33% more torque. And that is available almost from zero rpm and over a wider range. Moreover, the throttle response is smoother and better controllable leading to vastly improved riding dynamics. Twisty roads are fun galore with the Energica. At any time, the motor just pulls instantaneously. And regen breaking (2nd highest position) is ideal for following a perfecly smooth line.

So for me, the older concept beats the newer one in terms of sheer fun. For anything up to 200 km (asphalt) the SS9 is my preferred choice (with no highways at 20 degrees Celsius, I get 215 to 230 km out of the 21.5 kwh battery even when riding pretty actively and in the mountains). Yet, I've repeatedly had issues with non functional or occupied charging stations which is why I still have an ICE bike for longer tours abroad.

Thank you all for the detailed answers and recommendations:

I tested the Ribelle RS back in 2022 when the Mavel motor was a new thing. I have tried to just sit on a EVA and EGO. There was something about the EVA I disliked - possibly the seat itself. The EGO racing position (and bad manoeuvrability at low speeds) would be hard to get used to when I have had the FZ6 (and liked it) for so many years. Ribelle fels like it has a slightly more aggresive seating positions that the FZ6 and the way the seat is carved out is also quite similar.

Intended use:

Since we moved quite close to my workplace I wouldn't be commuting on the EV bike (I got about 3 minutes on a bicycle haha).
Intented use would be the sunday drives that I rarely did on the FZ6 (since I commuted alot on it). I would also, maybe once a year, attend a track courses or track day(s). I attended a track course (theory + obstacle course + racetrack) several times with my FZ6 and it was great.

Most of chargning would be at home. I already have a setup with 3x16A Type2 (part of CCS2) for the car. Cable is 5 meters and would easily reach where bike is parked. I know that Energica only supports 1-phase AC but it's of no concern with my intended use.
I guess most popular racetracks have fastchargers these days. Since trackdays and longer trips would only be few times a year I am less concerced about the thermal management. By longer trips I mean when I can't get home again on same charge. I know the 400 km range is for city riding and I shouldn't expect more than 250 ish for mixed (especially if battery should mostly only be charged to 80% like with most EVs).
Another small part of intented use would be occasional rides with my wife. She likes short sunday rides as passenger but she seriously hates her hair smelling like gasoline until she washed it 3 times (exhaust under the backseat doesn't help). Passenger seat on the Ribelle does not look comfortable at all but then again it's not often and would never be long trips.

"princec" mentioned the noisy chain. I agree it did sound a but much - but then again the Zero SR-F I tried was what I would call deadly silent... 5 seconds into that testride and I nearly rammed a guy who walked right in front of me on the dealers parkinglot.
I agree on the weight comments that the SR-F felt like a but more work on the twisties while the Ribelle felt more natural (again maybe weight distribution is, even though it is heavier, similar to my current FZ6.

I emailed the UK country manager.  I’m not expecting to hear back but if I do I’ll pass on.  I agree, the charge tank is pretty useless. 
I’ve just done a 500mile trip and it appears to be an algorithm based upon SOC…
If SOC < 40% then max power. = 11.8kW
Then it decreases going up the SOC range but very consistently…
40-50 = 10-11kW
50-60 = 9-10kW
60-70 = 8-9kW
80-90 = 7-8kW
90+ = 6kW

It doesn’t seem to matter what SOC I start the charge at or whether the bike is hot or stone cold. 
So I’d hazard an educated guess that this is a deliberate move from Zero to throttle the charge rate going up the SOC range.

Very annoying.    The tour-ability of the bike is severely impaired when the 10%-90% charge time is now about 1.5 hours.  It used to be 45mins.  Mind you that’s with 12.6kWh usable, there’s an extra kWh in the 17.3 pack for sub 2022 models that had the pack replaced.   But still is a noticeable hanging around that my ICE mates aren’t up for. 

Does anyone know if this behaviour is common to 2022+ models and other platform bikes? SR/S and DSR?

Paul.

So for today, we are running in the rain.
I decided to run the track in the rain, because. well, wtf not?  I paid for the day, why piss away 180 bucks?
Actually, it's good to KNOW how to do something, the more you know, the more you are able to perform when it is demanded from you, rather than you volunteering to do it.

id rather learn how to run in the rain, on my own, by MY choice, and know how to work the bike, and stay safe, so that if I find myself getting CAUGHT in the rain unwanted (cough cough, I live in florida, what do you think THOSE odds are? ) I can continue to run safe.

It wasn't that bad really, seriously.  For those who are skittish, give it a shot, it's really NOT that bad.
Do I need to do 128 mph on the back side, umm no, probably 105 is plenty, back your pace down, go easier into the turns, but otherwise, run your race the way you normally do, you'll know if you are getting close to edges of boundries.

The bike weighs 600 Lbs, it's going to get decent traction, I am sure the weight helps there a bit.
Is it going to slide and fling and hydroplane all over the place,. well.   not unless you are running slicks.
Who's going to run slicks in the rain?  NOBODY is that much of an idiot... I hope.

Just regular DOT tires,  the Continental Attack 2's I want to say ///they are front and back, did the trick nicely.  I hit some corners under speed, YES you CAN hear the tires gripping in the rain!!  you can hear the water, .. for lack of a better word,  tearing when you are running a wet track and tire shear is going on.

The take away here is, the bike performed superbly in the rain, in fact, I was slammin it!!!  The adrenaline rush was on, and I was hammering it and the bike was my faithful partner.....

then the lightning started hitting everywhere and they called the rest of the day off.   $#^%&^%^%

Ok, back to the point, if you have decent tires on your bike and it's raining out, don't be afraid,  the Energica's are designed to perform extremely well in adverse conditions.  If you are on a street bike, you have Traction Control which will be working overtime to save your ass.  My race bike does not have TC so that's on ME, and even though I was hitting it a bit hot every now and then, it's not like the bike just jumped and went crazily out of control, it was VERY well mannered in less than nice road conditions.

There were some standing puddles.  One of the instructors made a comment, don't worry about puddles, I hit them all the time, it's no big deal.

Now I don't swerve out of the way of puddles, doing that on a track is a HUGE no no !!! but I generally do alter my track line slightly to avoid them, I mean, why purposely go thru  an area you know is less than ideal?  SAFETY!!  However after hearing the instructor say no big deal, Ok, I want to try it now,  ramp it up, see how much of a 'no big deal' it really is.

If the puddle is 3 inches deep, NO you probably do NOT want to go thru that, especially at 80 MPH, that's an accident waiting to happen, especially if there is any lean in there.  But if it's just a bit of standing water,  guess what... it's no big deal... your 600 LB bike will slug right thru that like it was nothing.  I hit the patch of standing water several times at increasing aggressiveness to see what my limits were on water sports 

The bike really didn't seem to notice much.  This is a well designed bike, and if your tires are not bald, it'll bring you thru nice and safe.

Don't be afraid of rain, it's amazing how many people ARE afraid of it !!!  We DO have an advantage though, our regen is stupid good awesome, engine braking, it'll stop you very nicely in rain / on wet roads.  you got the EB  use it, it will make life a LOT easier for you.  You will be amazed how quick a high setting EB can stop you on wet pavement along with a gentle braking and do so safely and sanely.

in a way it's kind of sad, how badly, Regen is Under - Understood on Electric bikes on how valuable a tool it really is and can be.  Everyone focus' on the power saving aspect of it, which in reality is kind of bullshit, and totally ignores the  handling capabilities it now gives you.  I wonder why the manu's don't go down this route as a selling item?



Well, tomorrow will be the last day for a while at Jennings, so ill be working on the trailer, getting it all spiffied up, and the possibly hitting other tracks and continuing to report how the bike is running.  Let's hope it don't rain too much, however. I almost wish I had a set of rain tires, Id be really interested to see how well the bike performs on those .vs. just the regular dot's.  I don't think there will be a lot of diff for most people unless you are just really in a swamp.

Aaron

TBH is them not having something new a bad thing.
Everything went from Oh BOY ELECTRIC will save the universe  to meh, it's ok, maybe, it's a scam, whatever...
The market pretty much fell out of the bottom of everything electric, look how many auto makers have shuttered e car projects or pushed expectations years back.

The demand isn't there, the stuff they . they being pretty much every e vehicle company, is not selling too much anymore, so do they really need new stuff, that won't sell well, to sit next to their old stuff, that's not selling too well?

I  DO hope any problems they may have had is only transient, as not being able to get parts when stuff breaks, is just as bad as a crappy vehicle as far as being able to tank a company.  Aprilla is going thru that now, many dealers are very disgusted with them, because of lack of parts and support.  Also remember, sometimes parts, rely on parts from outside sources too, and if I can't get a kanuten flapper to build you a new whurlygitzer, then your item is going to be backordered, and it's NOT really my fault.

Aaron

Sadly the time stamp does indeed line up with the time i lost power.
Now it also happens when i just turn on the bike without driving 

I havent noticed the Bmvolts and Cmvolts yet till you mentioned it just now! I will look into that a bit more,

I waited forever for some parts last year but the dealer had just not called me back to say the parts were in so I dunno whose fault that is (the part did have to come direct from Italy). The last conversation I had with Energica UK left me with the impression the company is still laser focused on getting finished Experias out the door after a stronger than expected order book and more issues ramping up production than expected.

I really hope that's eased up as they didn't announce anything new in 2023 for the first time in several years.