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Larry295

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Freeway range
« on: July 09, 2012, 03:42:57 AM »

I have a 2012 Zero S ZF6.
I wanted to test the freeway range.
So I did 90% freeway at 65 mph, and a few passes at 70max. So fairly conservative overall. I even encounter a bit of traffic where I was doing 30-45 for a couple of miles.
Results are in: 34 miles and the last 2 bars started blinking on the dash. This probably mean 40-41 until empty.
Conclusion: freeway is really to be avoided if you need your full range.
Next i'll test the 100% city riding and post what happens.
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Richard230

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Re: Freeway range
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2012, 04:00:48 AM »

I think your city range will more likely be determined upon how hard your butt is.    ::)
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Re: Freeway range
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2012, 12:40:12 PM »

34 miles at freeway speeds (with a bit of slower travel) for the ZF6 is pretty good - you still have about 25% of the pack left at two blinking bars.

Definitely keeping speeds down helps. As a counterpoint, I did 31 miles on my ZF9 today using approximately 50% of the pack, with a majority of that at 65-80 mph (and the rest at 50+ mph).
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Re: Freeway range
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2012, 09:31:17 PM »

2bars blinking = 25% battery left? Why would you say that?
From my observations, it looks like each bar is pretty much equal in terms of the number of miles it allows you to ride.
On the freeway, I was pretty much loosing 1bar per 3.7 miles. So 2 bars left would have taken me 7.4miles further I think... So a theoretical 34+7.4 = 41.4 miles
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Re: Freeway range
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2012, 09:56:23 PM »

The final bar disappears on the ZF9 bike at about 7.0 kWh discharged from the pack (technically about 16 Ah remaining capacity).

I don't know whether the display uses Wh or Ah to track capacity; I believe it's probably using Wh, as I have a couple of times seen the bike show 10 bars available in the afternoon when I leave work, vs 9 bars available when I parked in the morning. This is probably due to the battery voltage rising slightly after the bike sits; Ah remains the same, but the theoretical Wh remaining (voltage * remaining Ah) increases slightly.

Assume 11 bars evenly spanning 7.0 kWh, 636 Wh/bar.

Two bars blinking = 9+ bars discharged. 9 * 636 Wh = 5.73 kWh, 5.73 kWh / 7.9 kWh = 72.5% discharged.

The ZF6 probably uses the same capacity measurement as the ZF9, just proportionally smaller.
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Re: Freeway range
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2012, 10:17:19 PM »

Gotcha, makes sense.
I have never measured the charge. So when I see 2 bars blinking, I just head home ASAP :) 
I just assume 6-8miles left on aggressive riding, and 12 on easy riding.
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Re: Freeway range
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2012, 10:56:16 AM »

On my ZF9 I can ride 60 miles at 60 MPH.

I am able to get about six miles per bar at that speed, but I found that the last two bars don't last six miles, rather they last only a couple of miles each.

In the last week I rode to Sacramento twice (about 42 miles from my house), plugged in for a couple of hours and headed back home. It took seven bars to get there, so when I headed home with eight bars on my gauge I thought I had plenty of energy left. But the 10th bar disappeared after only a couple of miles. I pulled off of the freeway at the next exit (a couple of miles later) at which time the last bar disappeared. I was still about five miles from home! But, I continued to ride with no bars on the gauge (at 35 MPH) and made it home without any error messages, or any loss of power.
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Re: Freeway range
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2012, 06:24:14 PM »

It's possible that the pack voltage drops more at high power draw / low charge, and the capacity display adjusts accordingly. I wonder if the capacity display would have gone back up if you had gotten off the interstate and shut off the bike for a few minutes (and then continued home at a lower pace).

On my bike the very first bar seems to disappear after about 2/3 of the normal miles. The rest of the bars (down to 0) seem to be pretty regular, but I haven't tried going freeway speed at a low SOC.
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Re: Freeway range
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2012, 09:53:53 PM »

That first bar is a strange one. I rode my bike both yesterday and today to the same location and at the same speed in the same weather (cool, damp, fog) and in the same mode (Sport).  Yesterday the first bar disappeared at 7 miles and today is disappeared at 10 miles.   ???
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Re: Freeway range
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2012, 11:12:52 PM »

Ya those bars are strange.
On a ZF6, with the 500miles I have put on it so far, I can pretty much say that the bars typically will last 5-6 miles in town, and a little less than 4 on the freeway...
Now for the last 2 blinking bars, I am not too sure since I head home when it gets to that point.
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Re: Freeway range
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2012, 01:05:31 AM »

I ride harder than you guys apparently plus we have hills. I typically take the interstate for about 3 miles total on my ride at WOT which is an indicated 70-72 mph on my 2011S. Then I ride up a 2 mile-long hill at 60 mph indicated to get home. I also accelerate fast whenever I can. I use up 5 of the 11 bars in 10 miles riding like that. It's a trip I take often, so I'm sure of the miles and the bars. I suppose I could eek out 22 miles or so riding like that.
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Re: Freeway range
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2012, 01:42:22 AM »

Yes but we are strictly talking about the 2012 Zero S ZF6 and ZF9.
Your 2011 model is completely different as far as battery, motor ect...
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Re: Freeway range
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2012, 07:00:57 AM »

Right, but I still get about half of what Zero says is the range, same as with the 2012...when you ride it like a sport bike instead of a moped that is.
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Re: Freeway range
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2012, 10:43:11 AM »

I have an '11 Zero DS converted to dirt, I suggest everyone explore those last two blinking bars! I did and its more like 3 bars.. Each blinker and one as empty.. I was still moving when I came down the road on no bars.. I went up and down the road until it ran out.. It took forever, but I got about 2 more miles per no bar and maybe 5 miles total with both blinkers.. IT is usable range!
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Re: Freeway range
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2012, 01:29:34 AM »

I agree with Spires.  I get 2 blinking bars on the last 4 miles of freeway going to work on my '10 DS and it goes up to 5 solid bars in the city for 2 more miles.  The funny part is only takes 2.25 kwh of 4 kwh total (its a VF4!) to recharge and that's measured at wall.  Depending on the charger efficiency I'm probably using 2kwh or less for my 16 mile commute.
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