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Author Topic: Zero vs Energica  (Read 6922 times)

DonTom

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Re: Zero vs Energica
« Reply #75 on: November 17, 2019, 08:00:20 AM »

I am cooking with gas in California and all of my electrical outlets are 120V, 20 amp.
For home charging, 120 VAC is usually fine. At least for night charging.

But there are times on the road where you may not find anything nearby other than a J-1772. That takes too long as it is, but twice as long on a LW than on an Energica.

IMO, it's silly to  have a  charger than reduces the current as the voltage increases, as the LWs and Zeros (other than the SR/F) do.  If the AC power is available, the bike should be designed  to be able to use it. Especially with the  30K$ LW. 

-Don-  Payson, AZ (RV)
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« Reply #76 on: November 17, 2019, 10:29:36 AM »

Anyone with a 250v dryer, oven, or RV outlet (so electric-focused built houses) would have the wiring for that.  Even mine does, though I doubt it's ever been used.

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Re: Zero vs Energica
« Reply #77 on: November 17, 2019, 10:55:10 AM »

You never use your oven?
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Re: Zero vs Energica
« Reply #78 on: November 17, 2019, 11:47:05 AM »

I have a dryer outlet.

My oven is propane.

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Re: Zero vs Energica
« Reply #79 on: November 17, 2019, 08:24:21 PM »

Everything in my home is powered by gas - including me.   ;D
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« Reply #80 on: November 17, 2019, 11:30:30 PM »

On mornings like today, I feel ya.

We have propane stove, water heater, furnace, and... generator.

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« Reply #81 on: November 20, 2019, 02:29:04 PM »

My hope is that Zero will now delay their battery tank option for the SR/F to redesign it and announce a 7.2 kWh version later next year instead of their usual 3.6 kWh offering. Then they will catch up again with Energica (at least to the point they were before EICMA announcements, that is except for fast charging).
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« Reply #82 on: November 20, 2019, 10:51:56 PM »

My hope is that Zero will now delay their battery tank option for the SR/F to redesign it and announce a 7.2 kWh version later next year instead of their usual 3.6 kWh offering. Then they will catch up again with Energica (at least to the point they were before EICMA announcements, that is except for fast charging).

If literally doubling the battery density in the same space were that simple, surely they wouldn't leave it solely to the Power Tank. They'd double the monolith to be 28.8kWh and offer a 7.2kWh power tank on top for a 36kWh offering. And the FX line would have a 14.4 long brick which would make it one of the most desirable bikes in the world in my opinion.

Generally, Zero has smaller, but more frequent battery updates. I wouldn't be surprised if the next upgrade is something around a 64Ah long brick meaning a 128Ah monolith to replace the current 114Ah unit. Probably advertised at around 16kWh. Just a guess on my part, though.
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« Reply #83 on: November 21, 2019, 12:22:09 PM »

Everything in my home is powered by gas - including me.   ;D
Most people run on booze:

A recent study found that the average American walks about 900 miles a year.

Another study found that Americans drink, on average, 22 gallons of alcohol a year.

That means, on the average, Americans get around 41 miles to the gallon.

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2013 Triumph Trophy SE
2016 Kawasaki Versys 650 LT
2017 Blk/Gold HD Road Glide Ultra
2017 Org Zero DS ZF 6.5/(now is 7.2)
2017 Red Zero SR ZF13 w/ Pwr Tank
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« Reply #84 on: November 21, 2019, 09:51:20 PM »

MWetter quote:  And the FX line would have a 14.4 long brick which would make it one of the most desirable bikes in the world in my opinion.

You are correct sir!  I hope I live to see it.
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